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What cards do you want UNBANNED in Modern? - Multiple Choice
Ended Jun 13, 2017
What cards do you want BANNED in Modern? - Multiple Choice
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Quote from gkourou »
We saw 2 Control decks in the GP Kobe top 8 and the U colour that was underrepresented during the previous months has this Grixis Shadow deck this time around and several Tier 2/3 Control decks.
Quote from cfusionpm »I also voted for no bans, but I would not be surprised if they ban Death's Shadow. It does exactly what they banned Twin for: aggregate multiple supplanted deck archetypes into a "single," and put up consistent competitive results doing so. If it's OK for DS to do this, then Twin should come back. If they want to be consistent, DS is just as ban-worthy. For the record, I think DS is fine and does not deserve a ban whatsoever, just pointing out the similarities.
Quote from AvalonAurora »Unban - Nothing:
Preordain would have been a maybe before Storm started doing better, but not anymore, and doesn't really help other things that need the help enough to justify what it does with some combo decks and such. I wish we could try to find a way to get Opt into the format, because I think such a thing at instant speed could actually do something for control decks, unlike the sorcery speed Preordain. I wouldn't mind JtMS or Bloodbraid Elf, but I don't think they are guaranteed safe and fun to have in the format, and I don't think they help properly decks that need helping or they'd fit into. I don't want to unban SFM because the things it does that seem relatively fair I think actually aren't, and that the things that do similar in the format now should be considered potential ban targets instead, plus it has long-term problems if WotC does certain types of artifact designs (like high cmc but low equip cost powerful artifacts) making me not want to have it unbanned now only to be banned again in the future for similar reasons to Birthing Pod.
Ban - Ancient Stirrings, Cavern of Souls, Death's Shadow, Eldrazi Temple, Traverse the Uvenwald, Gifts Ungiven, Abrupt Decay, Devoted Druid
Ancient Stirrings and Traverse do things under restrictions easier than they should for their mana cost in the right decks to the point that they tread into territory that normally justifies bans, like how Ponder is banned. The decks they are in are pretty strong right now and generally they do things that shouldn't be allowed by the way the banned list seems to operate.
Cavern of Souls and Abrupt Decay are banned primarily for their anti-counter clauses being too cheap on cards that would be slightly overpowered even without them, and because of little metagame share control has. Previously, Cavern wasn't doing anything in decks worthy of banning to justify becoming a target, but it's getting involved in Eldrazi madness finally justifies it's death and properly illustrates why it was a bad design to begin with. Abrupt Decay is a broken card that solves problems for legacy more than Modern, but was hard to justify banning previously due to Modern's lack of comparable maindeck answers at low CMC. Now that we have more cards like Fatal Push, Kolaghan's Command, and Anguished Unmaking in the format to shore up some previously soft spots, I think it is safe to ban Abrupt Decay without worrying about the things it helped police going out of control, while allowing control to have potential to protect prison based permanents if they have the mana up using counters.
Gifts Ungiven was always a card I found things wrong with. It's helping results in Storm now finally helps justify it's ban, especially if you don't want to entirely kill Storm again. It doesn't do enough good things for the format to justify protecting it.
Devoted Druid has become a problem with how many ways there now is to manipulate counters cheaply. It was always a questionable design given the normal mana costs to manipulate counters easily, but there wasn't the critical mass of cards of the right sort to justify it being a ban target. Now that such exists, it deserves to eat a ban, as I think even without things like Collected company it creates potentially problematic combo situations for it's cmc (if counter manipulating cards that worked with it were more like 4 cmc, and it was at least 3 cmc, I could see it justified, but as it is, it's not, partly due to elements of things like the turn 4 rule). It's also a way to hit company without targeting company itself.
Eldrazi Temple could be justified when playable Eldrazi were all 7+ cmc, it's not anymore. There are plenty of Eldrazi plenty strong enough to be playable without it, and it's bad enough people seem to think the deck involved existing would be part of what would help justify Stoneforge Mystic unban.
Death's Shadow is a bad card design, doing a theoretically overpowered thing for too little mana, whose existence in the format was primarily justified by the format's card pool not having enough of the right tools to precisely shave down your life points, and being a relatively unpopular and undiscovered tool. Now that it is part of a top deck, it's existence has been proven problematic, especially if it's OP enough that people are using it to try to justify a Stoneforge Mystic unban, like the noted ET above.
Tons more things are on my watch list, but not in a situation that currently justifies their banning under WotC's usual standards that wouldn't cause a panic.
Quote from bocephus »My 2 cents, from someone who could careless about whats going on in the top level competitive Magic, the format at the local level is outstanding. 30-50 player events with 25-40 different decks being played. Yes some are fringe decks but its better then playing the same deck over and over round after round.
I voted dont mess with the format in any way. Bans or unbans.
Quote from Lilijuana »I voted no unbans, though I think SFM is a safe unban.
I voted to ban Goyf just because the dumb beat stick made the list after all.
Quote from StubbsMcAwesome »I voted for a SFM unban. The card is fine in the scope of what modern allows power-wise and would give a much needed main-deck boost. I wouldn't mind preordain, but understand the fear of powering up storm. Given the current stability of modern and lack of unbans the past few announcements, now seems like a good time to experiment.
No bans. People clamoring for 5 + cards that need to be watched or banned are crazy! There are no broken decks.