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What cards do you want UNBANNED in Modern? - Multiple Choice
Ended Feb 12, 2018
What cards do you want BANNED in Modern? - Multiple Choice
Quote from Teixeira3 »Disagree on Jace. While he wouldn't break the format for being too Strong, he would kill all non-blue fair decks. I think you are also underestimating his abilities; even if you play him on turn 5, you brainstorm and he dies, the 3 cards from brainstorm can be enough to change games. Architect of Thought already sees play and he gives you cards on a much slower pace. Untapping with JTMS is a death sentence against anyone.
Quote from Lord Seth »Quote from Teixeira3 »Disagree on Jace. While he wouldn't break the format for being too Strong, he would kill all non-blue fair decks. I think you are also underestimating his abilities; even if you play him on turn 5, you brainstorm and he dies, the 3 cards from brainstorm can be enough to change games. Architect of Thought already sees play and he gives you cards on a much slower pace. Untapping with JTMS is a death sentence against anyone.You say he would kill "all non-blue fair decks." What exactly are the "non-blue fair decks" he would kill?
Quote from Thorshammer813 »Ancient stirrings should go.
It sets a pretty unfair double standard. Getting to look at 5 cards is 40% more powerful than ANY of the blue cantrips that let you look at THREE. You just have to build your deck in such a way as to take advantage of the colorless aspect of the cards you're digging to.
Banning this will affect a couple of decks, Tron and eldrazi Tron amongst them. It won't break any of them either, it will just lower the consistency.
Quote from SiegeDino »Is it possible to see a Lantern ban on Monday? (I am against it though)
Quote from ktkenshinx »Quote from SiegeDino »Is it possible to see a Lantern ban on Monday? (I am against it though)
For the record, I think we are likely to see no bans on Monday. A lone PT win by Lantern is fine; the deck even won quickly in many games. It's not dominant, it doesn't violate the T4 rule, it doesn't lead to a battle of sideboards. That means for it to be banned, it would either need to make too many rounds go long (I haven't seen evidence of that but maybe it does) or Wizards invents a new criterion.
Quote from ktkenshinx » Bridge is surgical in that it affects fewer decks, but it's a really bad blow to Lantern that I doubt the deck can recover from it.
Quote from idSurge »Thankfully 'Fun' takes a backseat to letting people play what they want in MTG. I'd be shocked if Lantern ate a ban UNLESS they went after Stirrings, to hit Tron too.
Quote from MikePemulis »A deck won an event. Is that all it takes to get ban talk going these days? Silly. This pro tour's metagame and top 8 is fully indicative of a sweet, healthy format.
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Quote from Spsiegel1987 »I do think an Ancient Stirring ban would absolutely kill Tron on the spot. I don't see how it replaces that card, it would destroy its early turns, and make its low threat count difficult to pull ahead.
I think bridge is THE ban if they wanted Lantern gone, it effects nothing except that and some red prison elements that are fringe.
I do find it a little concerning that a lot of artifact hate may not be enough to beat this deck, I think Lantern should have an eye kept on it---but based off of this PT, no, it doesn't deserve a ban.
I actually think Lantern winning makes a BBE unban more likely, WOTC would be creating a predator instead of resorting to bans.
Sigh, now we have to wait until next Monday for the announcement, eh? That's going to make this week feel slow even with non related mtg stuff for me.
Quote from SCP7 »Lantern turns are short. Eggs had turns that took ages. Not really comparable.
Quote from Teixeira3 »Quote from SCP7 »Lantern turns are short. Eggs had turns that took ages. Not really comparable.
Lantern turns might be short, but the game, provided your opponent doesn't scoop for lack of outs, should be as long as eggs'. The fact that, like Eggs, the main legitimate wincon is slowly replaying Pyrite Spellbomb also contributes to my point.
Quote from Tasighoul »The two cards that stand out as most banworthy are Ancient Stirrings and Simian Spirit Guide. Ancient Stirrings does for brown decks what Ponder and Preordain would do for blue-based decks, except that it does it even better most of the time. Simian Spirit Guide provides an effect comparable to Chrome Mox with the downside of providing mana only once and the upsides of being instant speed and being uncounterable. It mostly sees play in decks that try to lock down the opponent or combo off before the game hasn't really started. Cards like Desperate Ritual and Gemstone Cavern provide similar effects without hosing the opponent extra hard for losing a random die roll at the start of the game.