Using alternate art and promo cards and foreign cards is not cheating. Even if the intent is to confuse your opponent, it's still not cheating. Those cards are perfectly legal. I'm under the impression that most people do this because they like to bling their deck or enjoy other languages as anime fans or whatever.
That said, a very few people do this at Comp REL events to intentionally confuse their opponents. I know first hand that people will do this. I have no compunctions about calling judges for oracle text and asking my opponent what a card is with every single land drop and spell cast. If it annoys them I really don't care. I understand some people feel this is confrontational and folks are averse to confrontation or may have other social anxieties. I feel sorry for those folks because this situation truly sucks for them. But by its nature a game where you sit down across from another person and the goal is that only one person can win will have its share of confrontation. Don't feel shy to annoy the crap out of the foreign card player by asking questions at every point. "What lands are on the battlefield now?" "What keywords does that creature have?" every single attack step.
Using alternate art and promo cards and foreign cards is not cheating. Even if the intent is to confuse your opponent, it's still not cheating. Those cards are perfectly legal. I'm under the impression that most people do this because they like to bling their deck or enjoy other languages as anime fans or whatever.
That said, a very few people do this at Comp REL events to intentionally confuse their opponents. I know first hand that people will do this. I have no compunctions about calling judges for oracle text and asking my opponent what a card is with every single land drop and spell cast. If it annoys them I really don't care. I understand some people feel this is confrontational and folks are averse to confrontation or may have other social anxieties. I feel sorry for those folks because this situation truly sucks for them. But by its nature a game where you sit down across from another person and the goal is that only one person can win will have its share of confrontation. Don't feel shy to annoy the crap out of the foreign card player by asking questions at every point. "What lands are on the battlefield now?" "What keywords does that creature have?" every single attack step.
yes possible and another way, but i think we all want to enjoy our game and this sounds not funny. So it will stay and each 3 year this will happen to me and my opponent will be happy while i will have a feels Bad Moment. But next time if someone have many differrent artworks and languages, i will do what your suggest even fun will gone. Now we can talk about twin
lol now its about the mentality of Blue Players who simply must be cheaters? While if I remember correctly you play soulless colourless eldrazi? I better bow out before I get banned.
I wrote each time it is a Form/style of cheating for ME...my personal feeling and i wrote too it was legal if we look at the rules and the reason why some UW players called is because i See this especially vs them and after hearing in my store 2 others happened(again vs. UW) so i took this example. Maybe it is wrong this feeling, but maybe it is a mentality of some blue players like we say here each time blue mages will never be happy (maybe wrong too). Blue is the color of mindtricks
i mean id be upset if i lost the way you did too, and believe me ive done way worse things in my years of playing.
ideally high level tournament magic would be more standardized, only allowing certain versions of cards, require more precise and uniform board/card management. however its just impractical on so many levels.
who knows, maybe your opponent was being sketchy as hell; i wasnt there. the point is that if you were playing tight, whatever he was trying to do would have been irrelevant.
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Mentality of SOME and MAYBE...maybe my feeling is wrong, so be cool. Magic is a cool game for many different Charakters, so maybe blue ones are more proud if they can trick you an feels skillfull...maybe maybe maybe, i dont know
ah yes, i come from a long and proud line of blue mages. the purity of my blood and lineage cannot be questioned. we are taught from a young age to employ deceit and cunning, and i spent many an hour training in techniques to obfuscate my actions, manipulate rules to my advantage, and of course how to hide my colonnades.
Maybe I never attacked you, then, and maybe a you never said bull*****s from the start. But maybe you didn’t intend anything of the sort, and maybe you were just angry at yourself for being a bad player. ‘Maybe’ doesn’t cover all of what you can say, being ‘racist’ against a certain range of players doesn’t make yourself appealing cool or funny. If I were you, I would seriously start questioning my view of the game/of the players, instead of being upset about something which has NOTHING to do with the game itself.
Ah yes racism. Because why not compare misleading children's card game players to the systematic degradation and abuse of an entire race.
This word racism is really not so good because i dont believe nationalitys have own Charakteristika...and if then only because of the circumstate or nature around them. But magic has different colours, it is a part of this game they are all charakterized like blue tricking compared to green AS example or red....so it is possible some blue mages find some allowed Tricks more ok then green or red ones.
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There are no personal opinions when it comes to these sorts of rules. Things aren't cheating "in your opinion." Either they go against the rules, which anyone can look up, or they aren't, and they are, by definition, legal. Are there some common courtesy guidelines that many people follow? Sure. Are there ethical decisions people can make? Of course. But if someone angle-shoots in the attempt to win a competitive game of magic, that is, by definition, within bounds. You can get upset with a person for not actively reminding you what lands they have in play, but do not accuse them of cheating. If they are taking advantage of your lack of perception, it sounds like there's a simpler solution to this problem.
And if this has happened multiple times, it sounds like you just have an aversion to asking your opponent to clarify his or her board, which is totally within your rights according to the rules (free knowledge, public zones). I'd work on getting over that aversion first. Being comfortable enough to ask relevant questions about the game is a huge part of succeeding at it.
Okay enough of this. Keep the discussion on the state of modern. If you need a refrence to the rules of this thread please read over the original post. It is linked here. There is too many personal attacks and trolling comments made in the last 24 hours. Keep it constructive, on topic and away from personal attacks. Any breaking of the rules will result in infractions and possibly suspensions.
Mentality of SOME and MAYBE...maybe my feeling is wrong, so be cool. Magic is a cool game for many different Charakters, so maybe blue ones are more proud if they can trick you an feels skillfull...maybe maybe maybe, i dont know
The idea that the colors or strategy that a person plays is in any way indicative of their morality is fallacious, and an idea that you should rid yourself of. Stereotyping is not nice, even in the context of a card game.
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Wow! I was wondering what was happening to Amulet Titan recently, as I never see them get results anymore. Even I got disillusioned a bit by the deck and moved on. Maybe it's time to come back?
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I was so confused for sec then I realized they are using ravnica names...I am tired. UW Spirits not BANT Spirits interesting.
Maybe but seems to me Amulet Titan is the classic everybody forgot about me deck sneaking in kinda when Bogles was sneaking through a couple months back.
Amulet is a powerful deck, but it is also one of the harder, if not the hardest, decks to pilot. People wanting to pilot a fast combo deck have other options that are easier and a decent amount better.
Wow... Amulet Titan. Now I'm really curious to see how Assassin's Trophy shakes things up. So many places one destroy can make a difference and so few decks in those colors at the moment.
Amulet was hardly touched. It was simply never that popular.
I don't see it like that. Taking Summer Bloom out of the deck made nearly every matchup much worse. Some matchups literally went from nearly 90/10 to 60/40, namely Burn and Tron. Before with Summer Bloom, I literally never lost to either of these decks and some games ended up being not even close in any part of the imagination.
While it's true that most matchups that were positive didn't actually become negative, there are also newer decks that do pretty well vs. Amulet, namely Hollow One and probably KCI (although I can't confirm that one).
*I should clarify that I meant that I don't agree with the first sentence. The second part is right - Bloom Titan and now Amulet Titan have always been underplayed decks.
Amulet is a powerful deck, but it is also one of the harder, if not the hardest, decks to pilot. People wanting to pilot a fast combo deck have other options that are easier and a decent amount better.
This is it right here. It is the type of deck that rewards pilots who have literally dedicated many, many man hours to the deck and gone through "growing pains." Not everybody can do that. Imagine myself... I tried Uw Turns for a bit over a month and had a 68% win rate with the deck, yet I shelved it. I was looking for something better, especially in the later rounds and Top 8s.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Of course it made it worse, thats the point of a ban. However moving from Summer Bloom, to Azusa, Lost but Seeking is not even remotely as back breaking as it could have been.
I've said it before. If the point of a ban was to kill the deck, they would have taken Amulet, or Prime Time. Instead, its a minor decrease in power, with an additional risk of removal.
It was a clear Turn 4 offender before, its still incredibly potent, now.
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That said, a very few people do this at Comp REL events to intentionally confuse their opponents. I know first hand that people will do this. I have no compunctions about calling judges for oracle text and asking my opponent what a card is with every single land drop and spell cast. If it annoys them I really don't care. I understand some people feel this is confrontational and folks are averse to confrontation or may have other social anxieties. I feel sorry for those folks because this situation truly sucks for them. But by its nature a game where you sit down across from another person and the goal is that only one person can win will have its share of confrontation. Don't feel shy to annoy the crap out of the foreign card player by asking questions at every point. "What lands are on the battlefield now?" "What keywords does that creature have?" every single attack step.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
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i mean id be upset if i lost the way you did too, and believe me ive done way worse things in my years of playing.
ideally high level tournament magic would be more standardized, only allowing certain versions of cards, require more precise and uniform board/card management. however its just impractical on so many levels.
who knows, maybe your opponent was being sketchy as hell; i wasnt there. the point is that if you were playing tight, whatever he was trying to do would have been irrelevant.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)ah yes, i come from a long and proud line of blue mages. the purity of my blood and lineage cannot be questioned. we are taught from a young age to employ deceit and cunning, and i spent many an hour training in techniques to obfuscate my actions, manipulate rules to my advantage, and of course how to hide my colonnades.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Ah yes racism. Because why not compare misleading children's card game players to the systematic degradation and abuse of an entire race.
Step in at any time Mods.
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I guess collectively, this is better than Twin discussion?
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
There are no personal opinions when it comes to these sorts of rules. Things aren't cheating "in your opinion." Either they go against the rules, which anyone can look up, or they aren't, and they are, by definition, legal. Are there some common courtesy guidelines that many people follow? Sure. Are there ethical decisions people can make? Of course. But if someone angle-shoots in the attempt to win a competitive game of magic, that is, by definition, within bounds. You can get upset with a person for not actively reminding you what lands they have in play, but do not accuse them of cheating. If they are taking advantage of your lack of perception, it sounds like there's a simpler solution to this problem.
And if this has happened multiple times, it sounds like you just have an aversion to asking your opponent to clarify his or her board, which is totally within your rights according to the rules (free knowledge, public zones). I'd work on getting over that aversion first. Being comfortable enough to ask relevant questions about the game is a huge part of succeeding at it.
I, as a lurker, have noticed the level of salt drop significantly.
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UR Izzet Phoenix UR
UW UW Control UW
GB GB Rock GB
Commander
BG Meren of Clan Nel Toth BG
BGUW Atraxa, Praetor's Voice BGUW
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1. Amulet Titan (surprise, its still a deck!)
2. UW Control
3. Hardened Scales Affinity
4. GW Company
5. G-Tron
6. G-Affinity
7. Hollow One
8. Burn
9. Five-Color Death's Shadow (Greedy wow.)
10. Hollow One
11. Jund
12. UW Spirits
13. UW Control
14. Dredge (surprise, its still a deck!)
15. UW Spirits
16. Mardu Pyromancer
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Maybe but seems to me Amulet Titan is the classic everybody forgot about me deck sneaking in kinda when Bogles was sneaking through a couple months back.
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I don't see it like that. Taking Summer Bloom out of the deck made nearly every matchup much worse. Some matchups literally went from nearly 90/10 to 60/40, namely Burn and Tron. Before with Summer Bloom, I literally never lost to either of these decks and some games ended up being not even close in any part of the imagination.
While it's true that most matchups that were positive didn't actually become negative, there are also newer decks that do pretty well vs. Amulet, namely Hollow One and probably KCI (although I can't confirm that one).
*I should clarify that I meant that I don't agree with the first sentence. The second part is right - Bloom Titan and now Amulet Titan have always been underplayed decks.
This is it right here. It is the type of deck that rewards pilots who have literally dedicated many, many man hours to the deck and gone through "growing pains." Not everybody can do that. Imagine myself... I tried Uw Turns for a bit over a month and had a 68% win rate with the deck, yet I shelved it. I was looking for something better, especially in the later rounds and Top 8s.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I've said it before. If the point of a ban was to kill the deck, they would have taken Amulet, or Prime Time. Instead, its a minor decrease in power, with an additional risk of removal.
It was a clear Turn 4 offender before, its still incredibly potent, now.
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