Reprints need to be in standard, not limited masters sets, or there needs to be a much greater supply. I didn’t see a single pack of the last masters set (Australia). So printing Zen fetches in a limited set did basically nothing price wise. Also, more modern GPS while great for the evolution of the game, sucks for prices as we will inevitably see more unreasonable price spikes that won’t get reprinted because (oh no chronicles/ reprint equity / let’s not make standard too powerful / insert favourite anti reprint reason)
Reprints need to be in standard, not limited masters sets, or there needs to be a much greater supply. I didn’t see a single pack of the last masters set (Australia). So printing Zen fetches in a limited set did basically nothing price wise. Also, more modern GPS while great for the evolution of the game, sucks for prices as we will inevitably see more unreasonable price spikes that won’t get reprinted because (oh no chronicles/ reprint equity / let’s not make standard too powerful / insert favourite anti reprint reason)
The fact I got my Tarn's at substantially lower than current value, say's otherwise. Same with my Misty's.
It had an impact at the time. The issue is, they needed to print them again as we have nearly doubled their price (Tarn's) in a year.
Price-wise, my stance is to point to Khans fetches and say "Prrrrrrrrt!"
The allied fetches were expensive pre-Khans and became affordable. One thing that did not happen is people quitting Magic in drove over it. One thing that did happen since, is more players playing Magic. The doomsday scenario of more affordable staples angering and pushing players out has just never happened i modern times. There's people at my LGS who complain how Wizards killed Tarmo's price due to multiple prints, yet Tarmo is still pricey and the complainers still play 2 drafts per week and play modern.
Since Khans, the fetches have climbed back to 30cnd$, some (BR) going over, and they will keep going up until the next reprint. They will hit 40cnd$ each in the medium term. I'd say within 6 months, especially with multiple modern GP coming in 2019.
The thing is, a deck is 60 cards and you can't have the average cards at $40+ and expect to have a growing player base. That makes a deck cost more than two grands. Yeah, I know no every card costs 40, but right now some are actually at 100-120cnd. In all my decks, I'm currently missing less than 20 cards, but they represent multiple thousands dollars worth of cardboard. I won't ever finish my decks in this situation. From Wizards's perspective, that means zero revenue instead of X revenue if those cards were reprinted in a meaningfully wide distribution in a set with a reasonable per-pack price. Modern Master set help, but they fail on both of these front, so I'm in the situation that I'm still missing two snappy because its price failed to drop following the last MM and actually went up 30% since.
Stop being cheap Wizards, stop missing revenue. Reprint staple in standard sets like you did Khans fetches. It can be just a few at a time if you really want to maximize the time-scale at the expense of widening more rapidly the player base. At least do something.
tbh I dont really understand the reasoning behind some of the printing that Wizards does. Like who exactly was Master 25 and Iconic Masters printed for? Modern players? Legacy Players? Limited Players? It really can't be all 3, even thought wotc probably wanted that.
There really is no good reason to not print some of the crazy expansive staples. Why was Chalice of the Void mythic rare in Masters 25? Was it because of Limited? Still hardly makes sense. And its not like Wizards makes more money the higher the secondary market prices are. Just like you said, cheaper prices = more players = more $$$ for Wotc.
Theres a very small minority of people even in the MTG Finance community that wants high prices for cards like Tarmo. More people playing Modern/ Magic = more money in the long run. I mean look at Legacy. How long will that format last while the prices for Dual Lands continue to grow consistently? There's a reason Modern exploded within the last few years to becoem the #1 popular format.
Reprints need to be in standard, not limited masters sets, or there needs to be a much greater supply. I didn’t see a single pack of the last masters set (Australia). So printing Zen fetches in a limited set did basically nothing price wise. Also, more modern GPS while great for the evolution of the game, sucks for prices as we will inevitably see more unreasonable price spikes that won’t get reprinted because (oh no chronicles/ reprint equity / let’s not make standard too powerful / insert favourite anti reprint reason)
The fact I got my Tarn's at substantially lower than current value, say's otherwise. Same with my Misty's.
It had an impact at the time. The issue is, they needed to print them again as we have nearly doubled their price (Tarn's) in a year.
The reprinting of the enemy fetches in M17 did lower the prices a little for a short time. There were even people in our Facebook group who actually thought that the Scalding Tarns would go back to Standard price... and there are also sharks trying to trick tarn owners into thinking tarns would go back to Standard price. When people realized the supply was small, prices eventually crept back up.
Theres a very small minority of people even in the MTG Finance community that wants high prices for cards like Tarmo. More people playing Modern/ Magic = more money in the long run. I mean look at Legacy. How long will that format last while the prices for Dual Lands continue to grow consistently? There's a reason Modern exploded within the last few years to becoem the #1 popular format.
The nightmare scenario of 100$ polluted delta and 200$ each tarmo should never be allowed to happen again. Khans reprinting the original fetches and MM multiple reprinting of goyf cured the problem. Still expensive, but at least the cards are more accesible now.
i dont think its a question of whether reprints are lowering prices, because they are. they just arent doing enough to dent the rate of increase over a long enough period of time.
it just a matter of quantity and the fact that modern shouldn't be the premier constructed format. having new players skip standard entirely isnt good in multiple ways. more high profile reprints, or even being pushed to some sort of modern exclusive set are just treating the symptoms. if wizards commits fully to that path then on some level they are conceding that they cant create adequate standard environments.
imo wizards should focus on making standard both better and considerably cheaper. modern prices will follow.
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if wizards commits fully to that path then on some level they are conceding that they cant create adequate standard environments.
I think 9 times out of 10, thats a given though. There is almost no way for them to create a rotational format which also still appeals to all the different play styles people want, is there?
I dont know anyone personally who up till this current Standard, has been happy really with Standard since Khans. I feel this current standard is interesting however, with a wide range of potential, just waiting to see how it all breaks out or if these decks are just not good enough.
i dont think its a question of whether reprints are lowering prices, because they are. they just arent doing enough to dent the rate of increase over a long enough period of time.
it just a matter of quantity and the fact that modern shouldn't be the premier constructed format. having new players skip standard entirely isnt good in multiple ways. more high profile reprints, or even being pushed to some sort of modern exclusive set are just treating the symptoms. if wizards commits fully to that path then on some level they are conceding that they cant create adequate standard environments.
imo wizards should focus on making standard both better and considerably cheaper. modern prices will follow.
Just taking up the opposite side of the argument here for conversation sake, but how do you lower prices if you've built a business model that requires a specific threshold of profit to maintain operation. If WotC has created an R & D dept, marketing, pro level support, payout, printing, packaging, story content, website, MTGO, MTGA, etc etc. web that requires say 90% of the sales price of a box - how do you cut the price? Assuming all of the above stay constant excluding variable costs with production - you HAVE to sell more boxes. There is no alternative.
In the past few years wizards has played with various ways of getting the players to crack more boxes (expeditions being the most common and well known). The problem is that this only goes so far and the player base has shown they were starting to reach product fatigue when we were inundated with masters sets and special releases. Even with a higher volume of reprints entering into the market, the player base couldn't or didn't want to financially support the cost of generating that product. Reprint products only shave off a handful of the above expenses.
I'm all for a cheaper standard. I think the issue is that we have a very high number of hands in the pot, pressure from Hasbro to maintain or increase sales/market share, and a 25 year old game. I'm not directing this at you, but alot of people on here don't get that wizards can't print everything into the dirt - nor do I want them to.
In my eyes, an elegant solution would be for them to gravitate away from new world order and up the complexity of commons/uncommons again. Get constructed level playables out of the vast majority of rare/mythic slots and start costing these cards to move in modern. Heroic could be a great intro style deck if they printed some (albiet pushed) cards that interacted well with the mechanic. New players need a launching pad for the format that costs less than $100-200 USD and remains that way.
I'm all for a cheaper standard. I think the issue is that we have a very high number of hands in the pot, pressure from Hasbro to maintain or increase sales/market share, and a 25 year old game. I'm not directing this at you, but alot of people on here don't get that wizards can't print everything into the dirt - nor do I want them to.
Everything getting reprinted into the dirt might mean the end MTG. The prices of some cards promotes speculation and interest in the secondary market.. and that helps keep the game alive.
Just taking up the opposite side of the argument here for conversation sake, but how do you lower prices if you've built a business model that requires a specific threshold of profit to maintain operation. If WotC has created an R & D dept, marketing, pro level support, payout, printing, packaging, story content, website, MTGO, MTGA, etc etc. web that requires say 90% of the sales price of a box - how do you cut the price? Assuming all of the above stay constant excluding variable costs with production - you HAVE to sell more boxes. There is no alternative.
Selling more products like FTV's and the recent Mythic edition are one way. Mythic inparticular should have been extremely profitable for them. At $1500 for card art, and maybe another $500 in other labor to put it all together, we're talking about $20,000 or less to have created that product. It sold for $250 which means a profit of about $240 each. If Wizards made 10,000 copies they made just under 2.4 million from that. If they made 20,000 copies they made nearly 5 million. That's a lot of money to subsidize all of those other business needs.
Any draft format product is very low margin compared to the other supplemental things they can throw together.
In my eyes, an elegant solution would be for them to gravitate away from new world order and up the complexity of commons/uncommons again. Get constructed level playables out of the vast majority of rare/mythic slots and start costing these cards to move in modern. Heroic could be a great intro style deck if they printed some (albiet pushed) cards that interacted well with the mechanic. New players need a launching pad for the format that costs less than $100-200 USD and remains that way.
I think the problem they're running into with commons, is that they settle on standard template designs that they like, like Pegasus Courser. Then this design gets include often. Once it's discovered that this common that is all over the place is good, they find themselves increasing it to an uncommon, and placing a new, powered down card in the common slot. This is why commons keep getting worse. Draft is pushing down the power level of everything.
I agree. Since I'm currently on the GW 'fair' deck myself, I almost contemplated THINKING about playing current Standard. If they actually gave me a reason, I may do so.
If you're not playing Arena yet, I highly recommend it. I'll probably never play paper Standard again, but I'm having a ton of fun with Arena.
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Draft is pushing down the power level of everything.
I'm firmly of the opinion that Draft is what ruin's Standard.
I can't say I disagree. GRN has felt above the curve as far as complexity - but that comes with multicolor I suppose. Difficulty of playing isn't what is holding players back, it's the price imho. We have plenty of people who are mentally capable of playing magic but can't financially play at my LGS.
I dont think 'print them into the ground' is an answer that is at all realistic, or even healthy, for the game.
That said, $400 for a playset of a freaking mana dork, is unacceptable to me.
Oh, you mean Hierarch? I remember the time that card was 30$... that time people were complaining that 30$ is too expensive for a mere mana dork.
Hopefully, there would be a modern masters set next year with Hierarch included in it.
The entitlement and arrogance from some people is astonishing.
There is a simple reason why Wotc is very careful with reprints. A lot of people don't care if prices for cards get nuked as long as they don't own them. Now imagine those people just bought a playset of Snapcaster Mages and Wotc decides to print it as a Rare in a Masters Set.
People would be furious. Now do that a couple of times and customers lose confidence in your product and you start losing money
Why? I bought my Tarmogoyfs when they were still $150, and I'm not furious that they got reprinted and are like $65 now. It's better for the game. My friend was finally able to finish putting together GB Rock because Goyf's price came down. They shouldn't reprint stuff until everything is worthless because that would really hurt LGSs, but there's no reason any card in Modern should be over $50. If something is over $50, reprint it.
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As someone who received one each of the Zendikar fetches in the mail literally the day their reprint was announced, I'm not mad. I want more of these cards in circulation. If you want to make money off MTG cards, there's the reserved list. Most of us just want to play the cards.
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Reprints are a great way to get more players into Modern. Making cards more accessible to more people helps to grow the community, which benefits the stores.
Bought goyfs at the peak of their price post MM2 release. Could not care less that they're less than half of what I paid for them now.
Too many arrogant and entitled people out there who are only bothered with 'protecting their investments' rather than treating Magic like what it is, a game meant to be played and enjoyed.
Why should newer players be priced out of the format because some others chose to pay out of their nose for cards.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
i think youd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks modern prices are good at the moment. it doesnt have to be all or nothing. high profile reprints can happen more frequently and the overall integrity of collection values can still be maintained to some degree.
im not even sure what we are arguing here though. of course reprints would be welcomed, and i havent seen any radical suggestions to start printing previously rare or mythic cards at uncommon or anything.
however if we are still talking about prices across all formats id still rather see standard prices drop than modern prices. i get that they dont have to be mutually exclusive, but if wizards is going to focus on one for whatever reason, id choose standard. the gap between modern and standard deck prices decreasing would only exacerbate an underlying problem.
tbh i think people are just getting antsy because there hasnt even been a whisper from wotc. they announced the masters sets fundamentally changing and then just left it at that; while everyone is still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Everyone mentions the players who will "lose their minds" when their collection value takes a dip due to reprints but I just don't see these people anywhere. I would argue that players almost unanimously want cheaper card prices. If a couple of sweaty, grease-fingered neck beards get bent out of shape, so be it. At this point, wotc's managment of all things mtg has become such an awkward meme that they should just do the opposite of whatever they would normally do and I'm sure it will be in everyone's best interest.
Everyone mentions the players who will "lose their minds" when their collection value takes a dip due to reprints but I just don't see these people anywhere. I would argue that players almost unanimously want cheaper card prices. If a couple of sweaty, grease-fingered neck beards get bent out of shape, so be it.
When WoTC printed the khans fetch lands, I remember some holders of Onslaught fetches panic selling in a facebook group, they knew it's over. The days of 100$ polluted delta and 100$ flooded strands are gone, it's the end of an era. With the printing, a heavy burden that has been around for years finally lifted.. a lot more people were able to afford a better manabase.
Now, they just need to reprint the enemy colored fetches in a Standard set again.
I dont know what it is about SCG players, insisting on jamming UWR right now seems wrong, and the only dredge player (Ross) isnt playing the Creeping Chill tech.
The fact I got my Tarn's at substantially lower than current value, say's otherwise. Same with my Misty's.
It had an impact at the time. The issue is, they needed to print them again as we have nearly doubled their price (Tarn's) in a year.
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The allied fetches were expensive pre-Khans and became affordable. One thing that did not happen is people quitting Magic in drove over it. One thing that did happen since, is more players playing Magic. The doomsday scenario of more affordable staples angering and pushing players out has just never happened i modern times. There's people at my LGS who complain how Wizards killed Tarmo's price due to multiple prints, yet Tarmo is still pricey and the complainers still play 2 drafts per week and play modern.
Since Khans, the fetches have climbed back to 30cnd$, some (BR) going over, and they will keep going up until the next reprint. They will hit 40cnd$ each in the medium term. I'd say within 6 months, especially with multiple modern GP coming in 2019.
The thing is, a deck is 60 cards and you can't have the average cards at $40+ and expect to have a growing player base. That makes a deck cost more than two grands. Yeah, I know no every card costs 40, but right now some are actually at 100-120cnd. In all my decks, I'm currently missing less than 20 cards, but they represent multiple thousands dollars worth of cardboard. I won't ever finish my decks in this situation. From Wizards's perspective, that means zero revenue instead of X revenue if those cards were reprinted in a meaningfully wide distribution in a set with a reasonable per-pack price. Modern Master set help, but they fail on both of these front, so I'm in the situation that I'm still missing two snappy because its price failed to drop following the last MM and actually went up 30% since.
Stop being cheap Wizards, stop missing revenue. Reprint staple in standard sets like you did Khans fetches. It can be just a few at a time if you really want to maximize the time-scale at the expense of widening more rapidly the player base. At least do something.
There really is no good reason to not print some of the crazy expansive staples. Why was Chalice of the Void mythic rare in Masters 25? Was it because of Limited? Still hardly makes sense. And its not like Wizards makes more money the higher the secondary market prices are. Just like you said, cheaper prices = more players = more $$$ for Wotc.
Theres a very small minority of people even in the MTG Finance community that wants high prices for cards like Tarmo. More people playing Modern/ Magic = more money in the long run. I mean look at Legacy. How long will that format last while the prices for Dual Lands continue to grow consistently? There's a reason Modern exploded within the last few years to becoem the #1 popular format.
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The reprinting of the enemy fetches in M17 did lower the prices a little for a short time. There were even people in our Facebook group who actually thought that the Scalding Tarns would go back to Standard price... and there are also sharks trying to trick tarn owners into thinking tarns would go back to Standard price. When people realized the supply was small, prices eventually crept back up.
The nightmare scenario of 100$ polluted delta and 200$ each tarmo should never be allowed to happen again. Khans reprinting the original fetches and MM multiple reprinting of goyf cured the problem. Still expensive, but at least the cards are more accesible now.
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it just a matter of quantity and the fact that modern shouldn't be the premier constructed format. having new players skip standard entirely isnt good in multiple ways. more high profile reprints, or even being pushed to some sort of modern exclusive set are just treating the symptoms. if wizards commits fully to that path then on some level they are conceding that they cant create adequate standard environments.
imo wizards should focus on making standard both better and considerably cheaper. modern prices will follow.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)I think 9 times out of 10, thats a given though. There is almost no way for them to create a rotational format which also still appeals to all the different play styles people want, is there?
I dont know anyone personally who up till this current Standard, has been happy really with Standard since Khans. I feel this current standard is interesting however, with a wide range of potential, just waiting to see how it all breaks out or if these decks are just not good enough.
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Just taking up the opposite side of the argument here for conversation sake, but how do you lower prices if you've built a business model that requires a specific threshold of profit to maintain operation. If WotC has created an R & D dept, marketing, pro level support, payout, printing, packaging, story content, website, MTGO, MTGA, etc etc. web that requires say 90% of the sales price of a box - how do you cut the price? Assuming all of the above stay constant excluding variable costs with production - you HAVE to sell more boxes. There is no alternative.
In the past few years wizards has played with various ways of getting the players to crack more boxes (expeditions being the most common and well known). The problem is that this only goes so far and the player base has shown they were starting to reach product fatigue when we were inundated with masters sets and special releases. Even with a higher volume of reprints entering into the market, the player base couldn't or didn't want to financially support the cost of generating that product. Reprint products only shave off a handful of the above expenses.
I'm all for a cheaper standard. I think the issue is that we have a very high number of hands in the pot, pressure from Hasbro to maintain or increase sales/market share, and a 25 year old game. I'm not directing this at you, but alot of people on here don't get that wizards can't print everything into the dirt - nor do I want them to.
In my eyes, an elegant solution would be for them to gravitate away from new world order and up the complexity of commons/uncommons again. Get constructed level playables out of the vast majority of rare/mythic slots and start costing these cards to move in modern. Heroic could be a great intro style deck if they printed some (albiet pushed) cards that interacted well with the mechanic. New players need a launching pad for the format that costs less than $100-200 USD and remains that way.
Everything getting reprinted into the dirt might mean the end MTG. The prices of some cards promotes speculation and interest in the secondary market.. and that helps keep the game alive.
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That said, $400 for a playset of a freaking mana dork, is unacceptable to me.
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Selling more products like FTV's and the recent Mythic edition are one way. Mythic inparticular should have been extremely profitable for them. At $1500 for card art, and maybe another $500 in other labor to put it all together, we're talking about $20,000 or less to have created that product. It sold for $250 which means a profit of about $240 each. If Wizards made 10,000 copies they made just under 2.4 million from that. If they made 20,000 copies they made nearly 5 million. That's a lot of money to subsidize all of those other business needs.
Any draft format product is very low margin compared to the other supplemental things they can throw together.
I think the problem they're running into with commons, is that they settle on standard template designs that they like, like Pegasus Courser. Then this design gets include often. Once it's discovered that this common that is all over the place is good, they find themselves increasing it to an uncommon, and placing a new, powered down card in the common slot. This is why commons keep getting worse. Draft is pushing down the power level of everything.
I'm firmly of the opinion that Draft is what ruin's Standard.
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I can't say I disagree. GRN has felt above the curve as far as complexity - but that comes with multicolor I suppose. Difficulty of playing isn't what is holding players back, it's the price imho. We have plenty of people who are mentally capable of playing magic but can't financially play at my LGS.
Costs have hit very stupid levels though.
In other news, it seems that new card for Dredge is putting it back on the map, bring out those Rest in Peace.
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Oh, you mean Hierarch? I remember the time that card was 30$... that time people were complaining that 30$ is too expensive for a mere mana dork.
Hopefully, there would be a modern masters set next year with Hierarch included in it.
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Bought goyfs at the peak of their price post MM2 release. Could not care less that they're less than half of what I paid for them now.
Too many arrogant and entitled people out there who are only bothered with 'protecting their investments' rather than treating Magic like what it is, a game meant to be played and enjoyed.
Why should newer players be priced out of the format because some others chose to pay out of their nose for cards.
im not even sure what we are arguing here though. of course reprints would be welcomed, and i havent seen any radical suggestions to start printing previously rare or mythic cards at uncommon or anything.
however if we are still talking about prices across all formats id still rather see standard prices drop than modern prices. i get that they dont have to be mutually exclusive, but if wizards is going to focus on one for whatever reason, id choose standard. the gap between modern and standard deck prices decreasing would only exacerbate an underlying problem.
tbh i think people are just getting antsy because there hasnt even been a whisper from wotc. they announced the masters sets fundamentally changing and then just left it at that; while everyone is still waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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WCDeath and Taxes(sold)When WoTC printed the khans fetch lands, I remember some holders of Onslaught fetches panic selling in a facebook group, they knew it's over. The days of 100$ polluted delta and 100$ flooded strands are gone, it's the end of an era. With the printing, a heavy burden that has been around for years finally lifted.. a lot more people were able to afford a better manabase.
Now, they just need to reprint the enemy colored fetches in a Standard set again.
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I dont know what it is about SCG players, insisting on jamming UWR right now seems wrong, and the only dredge player (Ross) isnt playing the Creeping Chill tech.
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