I totally disagree on people saying "Jund wasn't a problem." Every deck in the format had to run a check against Jund, SB slots against Jund, play around Jund's SB, and pray to God that they don't top deck off a BBE. For people that actually try to brew original decks like Smi77y, you have no idea how challenging/annoying it is to constantly build from scratch when a brew doesn't work against Jund.
It can be said for any deck (Dredge, Reanimator, etc), but Jund presented something other decks didn't have, which was consistency. U/W Angels had a decent match up against Jund, but the truth of the matter was that Jund was always drawing into threats and answers consistently. The pilot rarely ever feels behind, unless their opponent drew a god-like hand.
When you have a deck that people auto-netdeck because it was brain-dead easy to pilot and only required maybe a 2-4 games of practice the night before of a GP, then it's a problem. Also, when you have a format where elitists use the price of the deck as a justification of it being out of reach for everyone else so it wouldn't effect the meta, then that's even a bigger problem.
The curse of jund has been lifted. But the new "jund" will be blue based midrange/control. Delver will be stronger then ever now, modern has tund blue
With Jund toned down, I would predict that less people will play it. I think Blade Splicer and Wall of Omens is not really necessary anymore, will most likely replace them with Kitchen Finks.
Also, I'm worried about the rise of Geist of Saint Traft in UWR. Need tech against it... Kitchen Finks? Phantasmal Image? Phyrexian Metamorph? Another Geist? Glaring Spotlight?!?!
^ If you fear geist, the best ways to deal with it are, not letting it resolve, using sacrificial effects, copying or "legend rule" it. UW Midrange has a sizeable arsenal of countermagic to prevent/delay Geist from resolving, sacrificial effects on the other hand mainly belong to Black magic, and we do play our own Geist to help us "legend rule" away theirs. But UWR does play its fair share of countermagic to deter us, therefore it could end up as a countermagic war.
I guess the biggest question going around these days is will Jund die, and evolve into other color combinations, and for UW Midrange players would that warrant any necessary adjustments. Well IMO, I do agree Jund's red was practically for the sake of BBE, it's red spells were often BBE, Lightning bolt and Terminate, both bolt and terminate can easily be substituted by other removal/board control type cards, while BBE was unique and a solid advantage engine, thus from this argument the lost of BBE could justify that Jund players would replace red with other colors and the 2 biggest possibilities now are BUG and Junk (GWB), but would that warrant us making any drastic adjustments? I am quite skeptical about that, since it has been well known that UW midrange has an even matchup against most of the playing field, and it was historically one of the very few "the deck"s to bring into a tournament having an unknown meta (since Modern being a young format presented more meta uncertainties a few months ago), yet preserving a reasonably positive chance. And I am rather skeptical that the changes of color due to this one-card for Jund could drastically turn it into an "unfair" deck (like Tron) which requires us to make significant adjustments like that of incorporating any pre-emptive hate cards.
Conversely, some loyal Jund players may argue that Jund was mainly a power-based deck with each spell independently capable of impacting the game and therefore the deck was not created based on building around any particular card(s), the lost of BBE would therefore not lead to the downfall of Jund, proponents of this line of reasoning would therefore say that BBE could be substituted by something else without killing off the archetype and they could even claim that there's a chance in the future WOTC may release any new B, R, G, BR, RG, BG spell that may be at least just as powerful to fill up this slot if they may find the current card pool insufficient at the moment. If this argument were to be followed, then Jund stays as Jund, and it is rather unlikely that the slight adjustment of one-card would warrant UW midrange to make any drastic adjustments to pre-empt.
Therefore, either way as UW Midrange, I would prefer to adopt a wait-and-see stance and not want to jump-the-gun to make any pre-emptive adjustments that may dilute or weaken the deck. Also, IMO it's safer not to be too hasty to discount Jund from the meta and try to "boost" the deck against the rest of the playing field, because it is still too early underestimate what's left of Jund and our matchups with the rest of the meta really hasn't been bad at all.
UWR's strongest plays against Jund were hitting BBE. Now we have to fight in a more fair manner and can't cause blow-outs. I'm kind of sad about it, especially seeing as Jund was in no way OP.
Using 4 mana to generate up to 3 mana more seems totally fair. In fact, Jund never ever dominated or won anything too.
Fighting fair is what this deck does, and with two of the least fair decks removed it makes this deck much much better. DRS Blue decks will probably fill the midrange void, something that is not entirely bad for this.
With Jund toned down, I would predict that less people will play it. I think Blade Splicer and Wall of Omens is not really necessary anymore, will most likely replace them with Kitchen Finks.
No doubt Kitchen Finks is a really good creature,but I predict there will be still so many DrS that Finks won't work sufficiently.
I'll use Sword instead of Blade Splicer.
Using 4 mana to generate up to 3 mana more seems totally fair. In fact, Jund never ever dominated or won anything too.
Fighting fair is what this deck does, and with two of the least fair decks removed it makes this deck much much better. DRS Blue decks will probably fill the midrange void, something that is not entirely bad for this.
Its not using 4 mana to create 3 more at all, at best is using 3 mana for a 3/2 haste, and the last mana for creating 3 more.
That hardly seems fair.
On the Jund issue, i dont think that replacing blade splicer with otehr creature is worth it, even without having to worry about jund.
I could see UW playing more spells, or splashing for burn on those slots, but i think that splicer is the best 3 drop we have in the current meta, at least until the souls hype dies a little and we can use geist again.
Looks like UWR will be a big player now. How does this deck fare against it?
I'd imagine Geist is a big problem until you get to side in your own ones, plus Verdicts, Images and stuff.
Are there any big drops, 5-6 that cannot be countered? I was thinking about running one as a curve topper, but baneslayer is just a mana leak away, I would hate to get screwed on my turn like that. And has anyone tried spell peirce? its super good vs lilliana.
Are there any big drops, 5-6 that cannot be countered? I was thinking about running one as a curve topper, but baneslayer is just a mana leak away, I would hate to get screwed on my turn like that. And has anyone tried spell peirce? its super good vs lilliana.
You could always run Cavern of Souls and name Angel.
Titan lists weren't bad in the last Jund-dominating environment because of lack of decks with light counters.
However, Jund no longer reigns, so the number of counters will be increasing, I expect.
In such a metagame, I doubt that heavy Titan lists works effectively.
I recommend you guys to use the list before RtR.
Jund is using either huntmaster, MotwH, Maybe a split with finks and thundermaw, Many options.
Also if BBE did not make jund then why did they ban it?
Because its the only card they could ban that woudn´t destroy the archetype, but would weaken it enough to stop making it dominant.
The only other card that had a somewhat similar effect would have been liliana, imo.
I think control should take a different direction and lower its mana curve.
Many of the 3+ CMC creatures are to clunky and slow the deck down.
But walkers like elspeth and gideon are houses cause of wrath effects, gideon as a 9/9 flyer for a finish sounds sweet as hell to me.
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Dont forget that in soldier mode, gideon CAN be terminated, path´d, or any other hard removal.
I still like him a lot tough, and i believe that the future of control is in walkers.
Dont forget that in soldier mode, gideon CAN be terminated, path´d, or any other hard removal.
I still like him a lot tough, and i believe that the future of control is in walkers.
That is true but if your at that point you should be holding some counter magic to get that final stomp in.
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Shackles is definitly a great card, but on this metagame im not sure its what we want here.
Abrupt decay really hurts it, and that cards going nowhere, so if possible i would avoid it. Jace can be played since hes most likely 3 cards for 3 mana, so i doubt ppl would waste a decay on him.
Well, the (possible) decrese in combo thanks to seething song´s ban may benefit it, tough.
Resto angel and titan, on the other hand, are the cards to play right now.
And gideon. Did i mention that guy wins games on his own? Well, he does.
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The curse of jund has been lifted. But the new "jund" will be blue based midrange/control. Delver will be stronger then ever now, modern has tund blue
Also, I'm worried about the rise of Geist of Saint Traft in UWR. Need tech against it... Kitchen Finks? Phantasmal Image? Phyrexian Metamorph? Another Geist? Glaring Spotlight?!?!
I guess the biggest question going around these days is will Jund die, and evolve into other color combinations, and for UW Midrange players would that warrant any necessary adjustments. Well IMO, I do agree Jund's red was practically for the sake of BBE, it's red spells were often BBE, Lightning bolt and Terminate, both bolt and terminate can easily be substituted by other removal/board control type cards, while BBE was unique and a solid advantage engine, thus from this argument the lost of BBE could justify that Jund players would replace red with other colors and the 2 biggest possibilities now are BUG and Junk (GWB), but would that warrant us making any drastic adjustments? I am quite skeptical about that, since it has been well known that UW midrange has an even matchup against most of the playing field, and it was historically one of the very few "the deck"s to bring into a tournament having an unknown meta (since Modern being a young format presented more meta uncertainties a few months ago), yet preserving a reasonably positive chance. And I am rather skeptical that the changes of color due to this one-card for Jund could drastically turn it into an "unfair" deck (like Tron) which requires us to make significant adjustments like that of incorporating any pre-emptive hate cards.
Conversely, some loyal Jund players may argue that Jund was mainly a power-based deck with each spell independently capable of impacting the game and therefore the deck was not created based on building around any particular card(s), the lost of BBE would therefore not lead to the downfall of Jund, proponents of this line of reasoning would therefore say that BBE could be substituted by something else without killing off the archetype and they could even claim that there's a chance in the future WOTC may release any new B, R, G, BR, RG, BG spell that may be at least just as powerful to fill up this slot if they may find the current card pool insufficient at the moment. If this argument were to be followed, then Jund stays as Jund, and it is rather unlikely that the slight adjustment of one-card would warrant UW midrange to make any drastic adjustments to pre-empt.
Therefore, either way as UW Midrange, I would prefer to adopt a wait-and-see stance and not want to jump-the-gun to make any pre-emptive adjustments that may dilute or weaken the deck. Also, IMO it's safer not to be too hasty to discount Jund from the meta and try to "boost" the deck against the rest of the playing field, because it is still too early underestimate what's left of Jund and our matchups with the rest of the meta really hasn't been bad at all.
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Using 4 mana to generate up to 3 mana more seems totally fair. In fact, Jund never ever dominated or won anything too.
Fighting fair is what this deck does, and with two of the least fair decks removed it makes this deck much much better. DRS Blue decks will probably fill the midrange void, something that is not entirely bad for this.
No doubt Kitchen Finks is a really good creature,but I predict there will be still so many DrS that Finks won't work sufficiently.
I'll use Sword instead of Blade Splicer.
Its not using 4 mana to create 3 more at all, at best is using 3 mana for a 3/2 haste, and the last mana for creating 3 more.
That hardly seems fair.
On the Jund issue, i dont think that replacing blade splicer with otehr creature is worth it, even without having to worry about jund.
I could see UW playing more spells, or splashing for burn on those slots, but i think that splicer is the best 3 drop we have in the current meta, at least until the souls hype dies a little and we can use geist again.
I'd imagine Geist is a big problem until you get to side in your own ones, plus Verdicts, Images and stuff.
I've been looking at something like this so far:
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Blade Splicer
4 Restoration Angel
2 Sun Titan
Equipment
1 Sword of War and Peace
Sorcery
1 Supreme Verdict
Removal
4 Path to Exile
1 Dismember
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Detention Sphere
4 Mana Leak
4 Cryptic Command
Cardadvantage
1 Jace Beleren
2 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Sphinx's Revelation
Lands
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Hallowed Fountain
2 Seachrome Coast
1 Mystic Gate
1 Glacial Fortress
5 Island
1 Plains
1 Eiganjo Castle
3 Tectonic Edge
2 Moorland Haunt
I didn't want to get too cute with Titan, but I think it's worth mentioning that he's hard to kill and has a heavy impact once resolved.
You could always run Cavern of Souls and name Angel.
However, Jund no longer reigns, so the number of counters will be increasing, I expect.
In such a metagame, I doubt that heavy Titan lists works effectively.
I recommend you guys to use the list before RtR.
Also if BBE did not make jund then why did they ban it?
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Modern Mono U Tron
Because its the only card they could ban that woudn´t destroy the archetype, but would weaken it enough to stop making it dominant.
The only other card that had a somewhat similar effect would have been liliana, imo.
Decks I play and stuff.
Legacy Burn
Modern Mono U Tron
Many of the 3+ CMC creatures are to clunky and slow the deck down.
But walkers like elspeth and gideon are houses cause of wrath effects, gideon as a 9/9 flyer for a finish sounds sweet as hell to me.
Decks I play and stuff.
Legacy Burn
Modern Mono U Tron
I still like him a lot tough, and i believe that the future of control is in walkers.
That is true but if your at that point you should be holding some counter magic to get that final stomp in.
Decks I play and stuff.
Legacy Burn
Modern Mono U Tron
I feel the curve is too high as it is for a supposed control deck.
Decks I play and stuff.
Legacy Burn
Modern Mono U Tron
Abrupt decay really hurts it, and that cards going nowhere, so if possible i would avoid it. Jace can be played since hes most likely 3 cards for 3 mana, so i doubt ppl would waste a decay on him.
Well, the (possible) decrese in combo thanks to seething song´s ban may benefit it, tough.
Resto angel and titan, on the other hand, are the cards to play right now.
And gideon. Did i mention that guy wins games on his own? Well, he does.