It's different but still fundamentally the same. It eschews Lily for Garruk and plays a more control based strategy. I really like it I just think it needs some work numbers wise.
I think the thing that has been holding this deck back is the unwillingness of its pilots to change.At present the best list I can give you is 2 years old and the meta that the deck was a true player in is now gone. That is partly why I have moved off of the deck in favor of the U decks in the format.
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How do you think this would go with BW smallpox? Flagstones make it so you aren't really sacrificing a land, lingering souls, zealous persecution and some sideboard cards. I have been wanting to make Junk smallpox for a while now but don't really want to try without being able to afford goyfs yet...
YOu would want to consider Elspeth 1.0. Seems plausable though.
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YOu would want to consider Elspeth 1.0. Seems plausable though.
True, Elspeth seems strong with creatures like Goyf in the deck, the BW pox version uses Sorin over her in most cases. Sorin is stronger with large numbers of weaker creatures like Bob and souls tokens that already have flying and the lifelink token is significantly stronger than the non lifelink token when you are losing your own life with shocks, fetches and pox.
Do you think waste not will do anything for the deck?
Waste Not may be good if you have a more control oriented metagame, but I don't know what you could take out to fit it in the deck. It might be too much to have Waste Not in the deck to where your other matchups suffer.
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New Nissa has been revealed in M15.
Do you think guys she could be a significant addition to traditional DC decks, replacing or complementing Garruk? Just a winmore card?
New Nissa has been revealed in M15.
Do you think guys she could be a significant addition to traditional DC decks, replacing or complementing Garruk? Just a winmore card?
I was just about to ask the same thing. She just seems like a bigger Garruk Wildspeaker as all 3 of her abilities relate to the original Garruk in one way or the other, but there's nothing wrong with that. In my opinion, she would have been fantastic at four mana even if her abilities would be slightly less powerful. I will be definitely be trying her as a 1-2 of to complement my 3 copies of Wildspeaker to start out of.
I think she has a lot of potential as a wincon. 4/4 spam is going to annoy a lot of decks and untapping four Forests (remember that means shocks too) makes the threat of lategame mana variance less realistic. Run Nissa over 25th land, problem solved. Garruk is a fantastic midrange workhorse, but I've always found the deck runs out of steam if he gets dealt with quickly, never mind the implications that has for casting Cloud. I think Nissa will help with that side of things a ton. Her weakness seems to be how to protect her; she's slightly more vulnerable than Garruk as you can't just instantly make a blocker (the land will probably be tapped). Then again, having both Nissa and Garruk in play at once will basically end the game.
Some great pointers, thanks. What do you think the split between Garruk Wildspeaker and Nissa 2.0 will be? I'm trying 3 Garruks and 2 Nissa at the moment cutting Vraska the Unseen and probably moving one of my 2 Grave Titans to the board. I think 2 and 2 will be a good split, but I haven't really done much playtesting. Also is running 4 Overgrown Tomb now worth it or is it better to cut a few other nonbasics like Temple of Malady for more Forests? Right now my deck has 5 Forests and 3 Tombs or roughly a third of my mana base is Forests.
Here's where I stand on Garruk and Nissa. Playing with Garruk Wildspeaker for so long brought up some issues. The main one being is that I never want to use Garruk's untap 2 lands to cast a bigger Death Cloud as I want three lands left to activate Treetop Village or have a better top deck to cast next turn. With Nissa, I feel like I can safely Death Cloud for all my lands except 1 or 2 which will become 4/4 Tramplers if that means my opponent is left with no lands left.
Seems like the deck could become a BG walkers deck? Maybe I can brew some lists since I'm playing for fun mostly now.
I think we need to attack from a different angle than the BG decks that are running around.
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Link to the article you mentioned: Link
Very Jund-ish, a bit far from the usual approach we have been discussing here...
I think the thing that has been holding this deck back is the unwillingness of its pilots to change.At present the best list I can give you is 2 years old and the meta that the deck was a true player in is now gone. That is partly why I have moved off of the deck in favor of the U decks in the format.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
True, Elspeth seems strong with creatures like Goyf in the deck, the BW pox version uses Sorin over her in most cases. Sorin is stronger with large numbers of weaker creatures like Bob and souls tokens that already have flying and the lifelink token is significantly stronger than the non lifelink token when you are losing your own life with shocks, fetches and pox.
Do you think waste not will do anything for the deck?
Do you think guys she could be a significant addition to traditional DC decks, replacing or complementing Garruk? Just a winmore card?
I was just about to ask the same thing. She just seems like a bigger Garruk Wildspeaker as all 3 of her abilities relate to the original Garruk in one way or the other, but there's nothing wrong with that. In my opinion, she would have been fantastic at four mana even if her abilities would be slightly less powerful. I will be definitely be trying her as a 1-2 of to complement my 3 copies of Wildspeaker to start out of.
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Some great pointers, thanks. What do you think the split between Garruk Wildspeaker and Nissa 2.0 will be? I'm trying 3 Garruks and 2 Nissa at the moment cutting Vraska the Unseen and probably moving one of my 2 Grave Titans to the board. I think 2 and 2 will be a good split, but I haven't really done much playtesting. Also is running 4 Overgrown Tomb now worth it or is it better to cut a few other nonbasics like Temple of Malady for more Forests? Right now my deck has 5 Forests and 3 Tombs or roughly a third of my mana base is Forests.
Here's where I stand on Garruk and Nissa. Playing with Garruk Wildspeaker for so long brought up some issues. The main one being is that I never want to use Garruk's untap 2 lands to cast a bigger Death Cloud as I want three lands left to activate Treetop Village or have a better top deck to cast next turn. With Nissa, I feel like I can safely Death Cloud for all my lands except 1 or 2 which will become 4/4 Tramplers if that means my opponent is left with no lands left.
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I think we need to attack from a different angle than the BG decks that are running around.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
Please continue the discussion in the new thread here. Big thanks to PMP for keeping this thread and deck alive for so long.