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Quote from Storm_oldstylemagic »Quote from Hezekai »Why not drop the amount of Collected Company down to 2 mainboard to give the deck some room?
4x Path to Exile4x Remand2x Collected Company
It would still function in a similar fashion. Since there is no win combo, the focus doesn't need to be on Collected Company as much. It would do it's job amazingly when played but this way it wouldn't be restricting the deck so much.I can maybe, under extreme circumstances see ONE being cut for a cryptic, but never more than that - its just so good against everything - two instant speed beaters!
Quote from Hezekai »Why not drop the amount of Collected Company down to 2 mainboard to give the deck some room?
4x Path to Exile4x Remand2x Collected Company
It would still function in a similar fashion. Since there is no win combo, the focus doesn't need to be on Collected Company as much. It would do it's job amazingly when played but this way it wouldn't be restricting the deck so much.
Without a combo, two instant speed beaters is not a win. My concern is that there will be a lot of bad matchups if the focus is trying to pull off a 4cmc spell to get 2 creatures. There is hardly any interaction with the opponent. Most linear strategies will continue just fine without caring that we are getting 3-drops. The majority of which don't even have evasion
Quote from gobrien81 »Without a combo, two instant speed beaters is not a win. My concern is that there will be a lot of bad matchups if the focus is trying to pull off a 4cmc spell to get 2 creatures. There is hardly any interaction with the opponent. Most linear strategies will continue just fine without caring that we are getting 3-drops. The majority of which don't even have evasionI strongly disagree with this, the creatures are very disruptive. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben slows down many opponents. Scavenging Ooze interacts with Snapcaster Mage which is the highest played creature in the entire format not to mention that it stops various graveyard based combo decks (UW Tron, Living End, Dredgevine, any deck running Tasigur, the Golden Fang who has become extremely popular in the format). The list of cards Qasali Pridemage interacts with is too long but it's important to mention it demands an answer from Splinter Twin which is Tier 1. His exatled triggers help push through creatures as well, especially Geist of Saint Traft. Aven Mindcensor interacts with fetchlands which are widely used as well as hose all Tron decks and Bloom Titan. Voice of Resurgenceforces your opponents to play sub-optimally (disruptive). On top of this, Kitchen Finks isn't disruptive in the traditional sense but it hoses Burn which is incredibly popular.
Collected Company is a 2 for 1 that let's you interact at instant speed. There are also various SB creatures which can disrupt whatever metagame you are facing. Meddling Mage is great against Combo. Spellskite is great against Twin, Infect and others. Mirran Crusader is great against rock decks. Kor Firewalker is virtually a free win against burn. Kataki, War's Wage is great against affinity.
Not all these creatures are just vanilla undercosted beaters. We also have 4 Path to Exile to interact as well as Dromoka's Command in certain lists. It's definitely valid to play a more tempo-style deck with Remand and Cryptic Command but an all-in Collected Company deck maximizing creature count to increase the effectiveness of the card is also completely viable. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben has been an all-star for me and I personally don't want to be running 2U remands and 2UUU cryptics.
Quote from wpgstevo »Which linear decks?
Quote from wpgstevo »I do agree that 4 PTE as our only removal is a weakness. Spells 9-10, if you include them, should address that weakness.
Quote from wpgstevo »My experience has been different from yours it seems. With the exception of Affinity, those are good matchups (at least for my list). Aven mindcensor is excellent against those decks, stopping tron and bloom titan from searching for the lands to kill us, and twin we have qasali pridemage and pte as removal (so 6 maindeck answers in my list). Meddling mage post board is excellent against tron and bloom titan, and helpful against twin.
Affinity is the only bad matchup of those listed there imo, which gets better after board with spellskite, more qasali and kataki.
Quote from maverickzero »I was toying around with the more tempo-oriented ideas people were talking about earlier, even tried out a few Cryptics to see how it'd play out. So far they're good, since they play well with Collected Company holding up 4 mana for either one. They could also definitely be Spell Snares though, which I was trying for a while. SB is incomplete, still a work in progress. This creature count has been working for Collected Company but I definitely wouldn't go any lower.
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(22) Lands:2 Breeding Pool4 Celestial Colonnade2 Forest1 Hallowed Fountain1 Island4 Misty Rainforest1 Plains2 Temple Garden4 Windswept Heath1 Eiganjo Castle(24) Creatures:3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos4 Geist of Saint Traft4 Noble Hierarch2 Qasali Pridemage2 Scavenging Ooze4 Tarmogoyf3 Vendilion Clique2 Voice of Resurgence(14) Instants:4 Path to Exile4 Remand2 Cryptic Command4 Collected CompanySideboard:4 Negate2 Spell Pierce4 Kitchen Finks
Another note: since I cut Knight of the Reliquary the manabase is WAAAY better. The deck wants a low land count, but Knight wants singleton utility lands. I always felt like these goals were at odds in a 3-color deck.
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-surprised about a full playset of Geists, don't you get awful hands and/or CC too often?
-how did the Cliques play out? I'm trying Exarchs as alternative creature.. really useful but the flying power of Clique is probably more needed for the beatdown.
-love the Celestial Colonnades, but same question as for Geist. Don't four tapped lands hurt the manabase too much? (Especially as you're not playing KoTR that makes them a tutorable wincon.)
Quote from wpgstevo »How often do you find yourself holding Dromoka's Command? I'm afraid to draw it and not really have a use for it.
Magus of the Moon is quite interesting indeed!
Brimaz doesn't seem to do anything I wouldn't prefer vendilion or rhox for, why did you choose him over either of those for maindeck?