Hello,
I want to start playing Modern, but there's one problem. I don't really know with what Deck I should start. :/
Yeah I know that some people recommend simple things like Mono Red Burn, or Red Deck Wins, but first of all I don't really like playing Red, and I like to challange myself, and from what I heard the already mentioned Decks are rather simple. At the moment I've already tried two Decks: Mono Green Elves(Because I started playing with the Elves Intro Pack from Origins, and I already owned some of the cards) and Abzan Aristocrats (Because I really like the Idea of gaining advantage through killing my own creatures).
But up to now none of these Decks really where the right thing for me, Elves became a bit boring over time and Aristocrats worked well while playing with my brother or some friends, but I couldn't do anything when playing against T2 or T1 Modern Decks.
So yeah, do you have any recommandations for Decks I could try?
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Winning is overrated, I'll just play the worst Deck possible.
Red deck wins is a lot more complex than people give it credit for and I wouldn't recommend it to a new player. Really, the best decks to run for new players are mid-range good-stuff type decks where every card in the deck can win the game. Classic examples (though not tier 1 or 2 at the moment) are mono-green stompy, BR mid-range, etc.
I put both lists up as the represent the extreme ends on pricing for decks. BR mid-range is effective, but no matter what form it usually ends up being pretty nasty on the wallet. Mono-green stompy is pretty strait forward and costs far less. That and Leatherback Baloth does an amazing Tarmogoyf impression. In the green listing I'd probably run Blossoming Defense over Vines of Vastwood since Fatal Push is running rampant in the format and making mid-range lists a lot worse than they should be right now. Vines can do more when kicked, though.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Okay thanks, I'll definetly check both Decks you mentioned, and then I'll see if these fit my (yet not really established) playstyle.:D
Well, and your wallet considering the fact that staple cards in black for modern run anywhere from 8 dollars to 70 dollars a card.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
You mentioned you have an Aristocrats deck already and I find that, while they probably won't take down a GP, they have some power behind them for an FNM. Is this a playstyle you prefer? I had a mono-black deck built at one time and RB or WB aren't bad either and I enjoyed playing them.
What does your list look like for your current Aristocrats build?
I personally feel that an Artisocrats style build should focus on two colors. Three makes the mana clunky and the deck less focused. The best second color is probably either red or white. The basic shell of both are the same with just a few minor differences due to the splash color. So, here is what I would look to do in either case:
Obviously the numbers would be tweaked a little but I think this shows a basic shell for each color combination. Some of the cards might not fit that well, or you might want others too so I would encourage looking them over and tweaking them as you see fit. These are not necessarily the best lists possible, but they can give you ideas.
Your original build I think is just trying to do too much. CoCo is kind of expensive since the deck wants to be low to the ground. Rally and Return to the Ranks are fine as they can be powerhouses later in the game and win on the spot. I prefer Rally as it is an Instant and you are most likely going to want to sacrifice your stuff anyway so the Exile matters less. It also gets all creatures (except Messenger) for X=2 whereas Return only gets 2 creatures for X=2. And Return can't get Messenger back at all.
Some others, like Voice of Resurgence, just don't fit.
Doomed Traveler is seems like it would be fine as it gives you two creatures for 1 and it is low to the ground. Perhaps this could be in place of Messenger in the WB build. I just happen to like Messenger because, with at least one Artist or Cutthroat out, it represents 6 life loss on its own. And it can be a decent attacker/blocker as needed.
I can understand your thoughts, but I've been playing the Deck in these colours since I first built it, and it kinda worked out up to now, and there are even some good synergies, for example Satyr Wayfinder, it gets you a land, and it gets you creatures in your graveyard, from where you can make use of them with Rally the Ancestors, and if your opponent plays Kalitas Traitor of Ghet, thats the only way to fill up your graveyard, to as en example kill them with Blood Artist triggers. And CoCo can just get you either more creatures to sacrifice or even your sacrifice outlets. And I run Voice of Resurgence because it either replaces itself when you sacrifice it, or it can put your opponent in trouble if they run a control deck or so that casts a lot of spells in your turn. And I've seen in the lists you posted that you run Bloodthrone Vampire, I've also had a few builds with it, but while testing I saw that Cartel Aristocrat does, the job way better, because in a rather agressive deck in my opinion it's better to have a 2/2 wich can not be blocked by sacrificing something than a 2/2 wich becomes huge if you sacrifce a lot but can be blocked with no problems.
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I want to start playing Modern, but there's one problem. I don't really know with what Deck I should start. :/
Yeah I know that some people recommend simple things like Mono Red Burn, or Red Deck Wins, but first of all I don't really like playing Red, and I like to challange myself, and from what I heard the already mentioned Decks are rather simple. At the moment I've already tried two Decks: Mono Green Elves(Because I started playing with the Elves Intro Pack from Origins, and I already owned some of the cards) and Abzan Aristocrats (Because I really like the Idea of gaining advantage through killing my own creatures).
But up to now none of these Decks really where the right thing for me, Elves became a bit boring over time and Aristocrats worked well while playing with my brother or some friends, but I couldn't do anything when playing against T2 or T1 Modern Decks.
So yeah, do you have any recommandations for Decks I could try?
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Marsh Flats
2 Mutavault
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Mountain
3 Swamp
Creatures
4 Dark Confidant
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Olivia Voldaren
4 Pack Rat
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Dreadbore
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
4 Fatal Push
1 Kolaghan’s Command
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Terminate
4 Blood Moon
1 Kolaghan’s Command
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Collective Brutality
1 Grafdigger’s Cage
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Shatterstorm
1 Slaughter Games
1 Damnation
19 Forest
2 Treetop Village
Creatures
4 Avatar of the Resolute
4 Dryad Militant
1 Dungrove Elder
4 Experiment One
2 Leatherback Baloth
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Strangleroot Geist
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Groundbreaker
4 Aspect of Hydra
2 Dismember
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Rancor
2 Back to Nature
1 Creeping Corrosion
3 Feed the Clan
2 Gut Shot
1 Natural State
2 Prey Upon
2 Skylasher
1 Thragtusk
1 Fog
I put both lists up as the represent the extreme ends on pricing for decks. BR mid-range is effective, but no matter what form it usually ends up being pretty nasty on the wallet. Mono-green stompy is pretty strait forward and costs far less. That and Leatherback Baloth does an amazing Tarmogoyf impression. In the green listing I'd probably run Blossoming Defense over Vines of Vastwood since Fatal Push is running rampant in the format and making mid-range lists a lot worse than they should be right now. Vines can do more when kicked, though.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well, and your wallet considering the fact that staple cards in black for modern run anywhere from 8 dollars to 70 dollars a card.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
What does your list look like for your current Aristocrats build?
2 Rally the Ancestors
2 Chord of Calling
3 Collected Company
2 Return to the Ranks
2 Doomed Traveler
3 Cartel Aristocrat
1 Teysa, Orzhov Scion
1 Yahenni, undying Partisan
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
3 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Blood Artist
3 Viscera Seer
4 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Temple Garden
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Plains
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Sunpetal Grove
1 Canopy Vista
2 Isolated Chapel
3 Swamp
3 Windswept Heath
4 Blood Artist
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
Sac Outlets
4 Viscera Seer
4 Bloodthrone Vampire
Recursive Creatures
4 Bloodghast
4 Bloodsoaked Champion
3 Geralf's Messenger
2 Tragic Slip
3 Fatal Push
3 Terminate
Utility
3 Kolaghan's Command
Lands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Blood Crypt
8 Swamp
4 Blood Artist
4 Zulaport Cutthroat
Sac Outlets
4 Viscera Seer
3 Bloodthrone Vampire
3 Cartel Aristocrat
4 Bloodghast
4 Bloodsoaked Champion
3 Geralf's Messenger
Recursion
3 Rally the Ancestors
Removal
2 Tragic Slip
3 Fatal Push
3 Path to Exile
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Godless Shrine
8 Swamp
Obviously the numbers would be tweaked a little but I think this shows a basic shell for each color combination. Some of the cards might not fit that well, or you might want others too so I would encourage looking them over and tweaking them as you see fit. These are not necessarily the best lists possible, but they can give you ideas.
Your original build I think is just trying to do too much. CoCo is kind of expensive since the deck wants to be low to the ground. Rally and Return to the Ranks are fine as they can be powerhouses later in the game and win on the spot. I prefer Rally as it is an Instant and you are most likely going to want to sacrifice your stuff anyway so the Exile matters less. It also gets all creatures (except Messenger) for X=2 whereas Return only gets 2 creatures for X=2. And Return can't get Messenger back at all.
Some others, like Voice of Resurgence, just don't fit.
Doomed Traveler is seems like it would be fine as it gives you two creatures for 1 and it is low to the ground. Perhaps this could be in place of Messenger in the WB build. I just happen to like Messenger because, with at least one Artist or Cutthroat out, it represents 6 life loss on its own. And it can be a decent attacker/blocker as needed.