I actually like the idea of an extra land in the sideboard. A lot of the sideboard cards (sweepers, lilianas, staticaster and K-command) are 3 CMC and reaching those 3 lands by turn 3 is key. Adding an extra land goes a long way. I have not found that having those four slots for lingering is a problem yet.
What does your 75 look like? And in which MUs would you bring in the extra land?
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Yikes. The only thing worse than a sexless marriage is a stale metagame at home. When that happens, it's time to sideboard a mistress or two.
In this case, they're adding a Godless Shrine to the board to fit Lingering Souls in. The white source hurts in the main but you can board it in when you bring in Lingering Souls. You might board out a land, but if you're upping the average mana cost of your deck (adding 4 3-drops) then you might want the extra land (so you go up to 19 and more consistently hit 3 lands on turn 3).
Interesting choice to not include any Liliana of the Veil or Liliana, the last Hope. I guess LotV is brought in in similar Matchups as Lingering Souls? How has that built worked out for you? And out of curiosity, how many Stubborn Denials do you play in the MD?
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Yikes. The only thing worse than a sexless marriage is a stale metagame at home. When that happens, it's time to sideboard a mistress or two.
I play 3 stubborn denial, as it should be done. I think that Lingering soul is better than lilianas because they are useful in grindy matchups and against aggro. They cover more matchups. Also LotV is pretty expensive.
Now that 4 Mishra's Bauble is the new hot tech, can someone with xp in playing that build give me some guidelines of sequencing with Bauble and Cantrips?.
I don't bauble but it's essentially a scry one and then draw. You would want to use your fetches wisely when in doing so. From what I have seen people play, it feels like a lot more air than it should be.
I've been playing with 4 baubles and 17 lands for a little over a week now. The deck feels much better and less clunky. These are some of the relevant interactions bauble can offer:
- 1 lander w/ Thoughtseize + cantrip: take a look at the top of your library to evaluate if digging for lands is more important than disruption.
- 2 baubles + street wraith: check the top before fetching, reshuffle if you don't like it, try again immediately or next turn. Street Wraiths allow you to cycle into the bauble "scry".
- 1 bauble + cantrip: check the top of your opponent's library to figure out what they're playing. Use cantrip to find what you need to combat their strategy.
- Serum visions + Bauble is a free scry 2 to the top as long as you like both cards. Playsets of Baubles and Wraiths make Visions much more interesting and reliable.
- Bauble + discard spell: look at their top deck before discard to evaluate the best pick.
Now that 4 Mishra's Bauble is the new hot tech, can someone with xp in playing that build give me some guidelines of sequencing with Bauble and Cantrips?.
Thanks in advance!
I'm on the Bauble train. I moved away from GDS to Traverse mainly because the deck feels to be spinning it wheels too much with the cantrips and that is a big risk with how fast modern can be especially that we are damaging ourselves too. The deck can also be prone to flooding even with 18 lands. To solve the flooding we cut lands and replace it with cantrips which again slow us down. This is where Bauble is good since it's free so we can spend our mana casting real spells. Sure it's a delayed cantrip and has no selection by itself but it can serve other utilities in this deck. My favorite is Bauble as a free 1 mana to power out Anglers and Thoughtscouring a Tron piece from the opponent. Eduardo Sajgalik wrote about some cool interactions with Bauble:
Draw Serum Visions top card during their turn (perfect for instants)
With Fetchland + Visions, check top card of Serum Visions before blind drawing (can then keep one card on top if good due to re-draw, unlikely both)
Check own library before Thought Scour (own turn or opp turn - mill them if you need the card immediately)
Check before fetchland (Street Wraith / 1 mana instants)
Check their top card before Thoughtseize / Inquisition
Check their top card before Thought Scour to have the option to fateseal them.
Trigger Revolt for Fatal Push.
Fill the graveyard for delve.
Check their top card before a conditional Stubborn Denial (ie. not a must-counter)
Protect extra card from discard by sacrificing on their turn.
mainly because GDS is the weakest tier 1 deck in an anti tron meta.
traverse DS survived the meta culling of the unbans because they mainboard abrupt decays while still playing the same DS strategy.
4 traverse to smooth out land draws (mitigate blood moon) and to tutor the win condition isn't too shabby either.
My impression of an anti-Tron meta is aggro and fast combo. How come GDS is not well positioned to fight those strategies? Also, there were only 3 lists running Blood Moon on the top 32, does that really explain the Traverse Shadow placement? What makes Abrupt Decay better positioned if it does not line up well against Jace or BBE?
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mainly because GDS is the weakest tier 1 deck in an anti tron meta.
traverse DS survived the meta culling of the unbans because they mainboard abrupt decays while still playing the same DS strategy.
4 traverse to smooth out land draws (mitigate blood moon) and to tutor the win condition isn't too shabby either.
My impression of an anti-Tron meta is aggro and fast combo. How come GDS is not well positioned to fight those strategies? Also, there were only 3 lists running Blood Moon on the top 32, does that really explain the Traverse Shadow placement? What makes Abrupt Decay better positioned if it does not line up well against Jace or BBE?
I think people are scared of running grixis shadow cause it doesn't aggro out like its counterpart.
I think that's a fair point and the strongest argument to sleeve up Traverse Shadow instead of Grixis. My point is that this has nothing to do with an anti-Tron meta or a sudden premium on maindeck Abrupt Decays.
We also have to be careful not to draw too many conclusions from a single data point. GDS had a top 4 placement on the February 17th MODO Challenge, with Jace and BBE already unbanned.
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One of the main reason to switch to traverse shadow is that the deck is easier to play than GDS. Tarmogoyf is reliably castable compared to the delve threats. GDS needs to balance delve threats, and snapcaster. You always walk a thin line between life and death.
What does your 75 look like? And in which MUs would you bring in the extra land?
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
2 collective brutality
1 stubborn denial
1 Kolaghan's command
1 godless shrine
3 lingering souls
2 ceremonious rejection
2 nihil spellbomb
1 izzet staticaster
2 board wipes (pyroclasm and kozileks return
As mentionned here, if I have to add staticaster, K return, K command and lingering souls for Affinity for example, I won't remove a land from MD.
Lingering souls are also good against the mirror, Jund, Abzan + affinity. Ceremonious rejection are there for the Tron matchup.
Souls are also great against control.
Thanks in advance!
- 1 lander w/ Thoughtseize + cantrip: take a look at the top of your library to evaluate if digging for lands is more important than disruption.
- 2 baubles + street wraith: check the top before fetching, reshuffle if you don't like it, try again immediately or next turn. Street Wraiths allow you to cycle into the bauble "scry".
- 1 bauble + cantrip: check the top of your opponent's library to figure out what they're playing. Use cantrip to find what you need to combat their strategy.
- Serum visions + Bauble is a free scry 2 to the top as long as you like both cards. Playsets of Baubles and Wraiths make Visions much more interesting and reliable.
- Bauble + discard spell: look at their top deck before discard to evaluate the best pick.
I'm sure there are many more useful interactions. I highly recommend the following reading: http://www.mtgmintcard.com/articles/writers/eduardo-sajgalik/optimizing-grixis-shadow
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EDH:
UG Edric, Spymaster of Goodstuff UG
Draw Serum Visions top card during their turn (perfect for instants)
With Fetchland + Visions, check top card of Serum Visions before blind drawing (can then keep one card on top if good due to re-draw, unlikely both)
Check own library before Thought Scour (own turn or opp turn - mill them if you need the card immediately)
Check before fetchland (Street Wraith / 1 mana instants)
Check their top card before Thoughtseize / Inquisition
Check their top card before Thought Scour to have the option to fateseal them.
Trigger Revolt for Fatal Push.
Fill the graveyard for delve.
Check their top card before a conditional Stubborn Denial (ie. not a must-counter)
Protect extra card from discard by sacrificing on their turn.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/modern-challenge-11192645#paper
mainly because GDS is the weakest tier 1 deck in an anti tron meta.
traverse DS survived the meta culling of the unbans because they mainboard abrupt decays while still playing the same DS strategy.
4 traverse to smooth out land draws (mitigate blood moon) and to tutor the win condition isn't too shabby either.
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My impression of an anti-Tron meta is aggro and fast combo. How come GDS is not well positioned to fight those strategies? Also, there were only 3 lists running Blood Moon on the top 32, does that really explain the Traverse Shadow placement? What makes Abrupt Decay better positioned if it does not line up well against Jace or BBE?
BUR Grixis Death's Shadow/Control BUR & WBC Eldrazi & Taxes WBC
EDH:
UG Edric, Spymaster of Goodstuff UG
I think people are scared of running grixis shadow cause it doesn't aggro out like its counterpart.
I think that's a fair point and the strongest argument to sleeve up Traverse Shadow instead of Grixis. My point is that this has nothing to do with an anti-Tron meta or a sudden premium on maindeck Abrupt Decays.
We also have to be careful not to draw too many conclusions from a single data point. GDS had a top 4 placement on the February 17th MODO Challenge, with Jace and BBE already unbanned.
BUR Grixis Death's Shadow/Control BUR & WBC Eldrazi & Taxes WBC
EDH:
UG Edric, Spymaster of Goodstuff UG