MTG Salvation

Quote from cuttups

I think 4/3 sounds reasonable considering how much they are pushing creatures right now.

This is what I was thinking. If you were really concerned, then you could try it as a 4/2 to make a bit more fragile.

I'd want 4 power to play it, but 4/4 is probably too steep. My vote it for 4/2 or 4/3.

I'd still play it at 4/2. You kind of want it to die, so the 2 toughness can actually make the card stronger.

Quote from quitequieter

3BB
creature
when ~ enters the battlefield, target player sacrifices a creature.
persist
X/X

what do the X's need to be for this to be cubable?

I think 3/2 is the correct stats for this card.

For cube 4/2 might be needed. But repeatable sack effects are just really good - see Consuming Vapors.

three vampiric tutors - 2B
instant
search your library for a card. shuffle your library, then put that card on top.
rebound
flashback 4B

3R
instant
draw four cards, then flip a coin. if you win the flip, discard two cards. if you lose the flip, discard four cards instead.

2R
sorcery
discard three cards, then draw three cards.

thoughts?

Quote from quitequieter

three vampiric tutors - 2B
instant
search your library for a card. shuffle your library, then put that card on top.
rebound
flashback 4B

3R
instant
draw four cards, then flip a coin. if you win the flip, discard two cards. if you lose the flip, discard four cards instead.

2R
sorcery
discard three cards, then draw three cards.

thoughts?

The first one is silly because rebound triggers before your draw step, so the second vampiric tutor will cancel out the first.

Triple tutor seems really really good for 3 mana.

I really like red draw number 1. I like that you made the randomness of the coin flip workable.

I also like red draw number 2, but it should probably say "discard your hand, then draw . . ."

Quote from Hinotama

The first one is silly because rebound triggers before your draw step, so the second vampiric tutor will cancel out the first.

solution?

Quote from Theogony_IX

Triple tutor seems really really good for 3 mana.

keep in mind it's card disadvantage and the third tutor costs you.

Quote from quitequieter

solution?

Play it on your upkeep, also this is stupid good, needs to keep life loss.

Land from the Loam - 2G
Sorcery
Put up to three lands from your graveyard on to the battlefield.
Flashback 2G

Quote from cuttups

Land from the Loam - 2G
Sorcery
Put up to three lands from your graveyard on to the battlefield.
Flashback 2G

Wow. That is crazy good. Imagine what you can do with that and a fistful of fetchlands. If you have a pair of fetches already played, you can play this to get two lands back and then flash it back the next turn for two more.

Quote from Sabett

Play it on your upkeep, also this is stupid good, needs to keep life loss.

might as well change the flashback to 5B. 2 life each time?

Quote from quitequieter

might as well change the flashback to 5B. 2 life each time?

It would need the rebound reminder text too, or else people will be getting 4 tutors out of it because of the 'from your hand' bit which is easy to forget.

Quote from quitequieter

might as well change the flashback to 5B. 2 life each time?

Yes, you're drawing what you want for 3 turns, and the picks are reactive to the game as it progresses. You should win if you get all 3 tutors. I can't imagine this ever seeing print though, you can just keep on chaining them. IDK, judgement feels funny atm, 8 mana over three turns, 6 life, two of those turns involve getting whatever you want, while the third is to start the process over. It wouldn't take much to break something like this. This is a clear example of a card that needs to be tested in order to understand where the line is at for the breaking point. Also, I'd bet money they'd make this mythic, deserves it anyway.

Quote from TakeABow

Wow. That is crazy good. Imagine what you can do with that and a fistful of fetchlands. If you have a pair of fetches already played, you can play this to get two lands back and then flash it back the next turn for two more.

So it's the same as Life from the Loam? The card is great. Not as good as Life from the Loam though.

Quote from xfollowthereaperx

So it's the same as Life from the Loam? The card is great. Not as good as Life from the Loam though.

This one puts them into play and not into the hand.

Brutal Tithe 1BB
Sorcery
Target player discards two cards at random. For each land card discarded this way, that player sacrifices two non-token permanents at random. For each creature sacrificed this way, that players loses 5 life and you gain 5 life.

Quote from cuttups

This one puts them into play and not into the hand.

Oh, that detail makes this card quite a bit different, Stripmine/Wasteland are brutal with that card. How about:

1G
Sorcery
Put a land card from your graveyard on to the battlefield, then put up to two other land cards from your graveyard into your hand.
Flashback 3G

Or how about a Rampant Growth + Life from the Loam:

2G
Sorcery
Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield then put a land card from your graveyard onto the battlefield.

Recurring Necromancer 2B
Creature - Zombie Wizard
Dredge 3
Sacrifice ~: Return target creature from your graveyard to play.
2/2

Quote from killem2

Brutal Tithe 1BB
Sorcery
Target player discards two cards at random. For each land card discarded this way, that player sacrifices two non-token permanents at random. For each creature sacrificed this way, that players loses 5 life and you gain 5 life.

Sacrificing permanents at random isn't the most intuitive design.

Also that card is extremely powerful when it 'goes off'. The life stuff probably could get trimmed.

Brutal Tithe 2 1BB
Sorcery
Target player discards two cards at random. For each land card discarded this way, that player sacrifices a permanent.

Even something like this would be near extremely good - which is strictly worse than that original in multiple ways.

Speaking of discard spells though:

Estrange UB
Sorcery
Look at target opponent's hand. Choose a nonland card. That player discards that card.
Draw a card.

Reprimand UB
Sorcery
Target opponent chooses and discards 2 cards.
Scry 3

Interfere UB
Sorcery
Target opponent chooses and discards 2 cards.
Fateseal 3

Quote from Sabett

you can just keep on chaining them.

yeah i didn't think of this. definitely problematic.

Quote from xfollowthereaperx

Oh, that detail makes this card quite a bit different, Stripmine/Wasteland are brutal with that card. How about:

1G
Sorcery
Put a land card from your graveyard on to the battlefield, then put up to two other land cards from your graveyard into your hand.
Flashback 3G

Or how about a Rampant Growth + Life from the Loam:

2G
Sorcery
Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield then put a land card from your graveyard onto the battlefield.

What about keeping it the same cost as I originally had it but change it to two lands instead of three?

I think it is the ability to leverage two lands at once two times that makes it crazy.

What about 1 land for 1G and Flashback G?

I think I would consider the card you are proposing.

Returning Flame - 1R
Sorcery
Returning Flame deals two damage to target creature or player.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if Returning Flame is in your graveyard, you may put Returning Flame on the top of your library.