I will test but certainly not include the new braingeyser (old one has allready been removed of my cube, the only playable braingeyser like are Opportunity and Stroke of Genius) nor the new mind twist (not sure, but it seems even not that bombastic costing one more, the only interest i found is the transmute with Muddle the mixture thing in UB control decks.)
But you can be sure the titan's revenge will be in. This card is sooooooooo insane. X blast spells are allready really good picks in drafts, but a potentially recursive one, or at least one that can filter your draws is totally in.
Yesterday, we moneydrafted the cube, and i was playing RU Mizzet combo, featuring Welder/Crucible/Seat of Synod, Intuition/Gifts, Memory Jar/Magus of the jar, and breaking a jar to wrath an opponent is so funny ^^
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So, a New PreRealease Day, new additions to the cube :
Prereleases are fun! I wish I could have stayed longer than a few hours, but I did some good trading while I was there. Here are my new Cube additions:
Tarox is great but im not a huge fan of korlash, as i main strenght is the Grandeur Ability.... Is it that good as a one of ?
BTW, nice stuff Antknee, and yes, prerelease are allways the best to aquire alot of cube pimpness at great prices. That and the GPs.
Korlash is good at what he does...be awesome in a mono-black deck. We recently 'added' a mono black deck to the cube (with cards like Drain Life, Corrupt, Korlash, Nantuko Shade, Cabal Coffers, Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mind Sludge, Tendrils of Corruption, Consume Spirit), so he fits in there pretty well and does a good job. Usually he is a 5/5 or 6/6 regenerator for 4 mana when you play him. I actually think his grandeur ability isn't that big of a deal to lose (then again, I never played with him in constructed!)
Korlash is also in my cube .. I also play most of the cards mentioned by Antknee.
Usually at his worst he is as 2/2 regenerater (2-color deck).. that's not that good, but he can be as big as 4/4 of 5/5, and that is VERY good for 2BB. I also have all RAV duals and all real duals in my cube, and that helps ..
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I was thinking to go up to 125 cards/color to add the Morningtide goodness and there isn't that much to add in black so i think i can add Coffer/Urborg + Tendrils of Corruption, consume spirit, corrupt and korlash then.... Especially when the Archetype i play the most actually is RB mid range aggro, featuring Gathan Raiders, Phyrexian Scutta, grinning demon and cheap Removal/Blasts.
It's so good with the new Lands tutor or morning tide too (Sacrifice all my forests in GB rock like and tutor all my swamps :D)
Neonico, has Grinning Demon been good for you? I've always wondered how effective he is, since you pay double the life per turn for +1/+1 and morph in comparison to Juzam/Plague Sliver. I always flirt with including him, but right now the slot I considered for him (and previously Korlash but I also found him underwhelming) is taken up by the flying Mirri. I think she's only seen play once so far, where she was decent but nothing exceptional. I'm always doing my best to make black aggro a playable archetype, but it's still a work in progress.
Also, I've looked over your cube list previously and wondered what your thoughts on Celestial Crusader were. Similar to my thoughts on Grinning Demon, this guy appears to be solid enough to see play and to help enhance the White Weenie archetype. I currently am running Seht's Tiger in that 4cc slot right now, but I'm definitely willing to give Crusader a shot as Tiger hasn't really been an all-star.
EDIT: And just speaking in general, I continue to see cubes without Predatory Nightstalker / Wei Assassins, and it confuses me. In my cube, those are simply some of the best black creatures available, easily comparable with Shriekmaw.
Ginning demon often kill in 3 turns, compared to 4 for Plague Sliver/Jusam Djin, one of them, you often dont suffer the life loss (unmorph). So in fact, you take 4 damages instead of 3 to kill someone. I removed Juzam Djinn to include him and i never looked back. I mainly draft RB mid range aggro those last weeks and it really shines in this archetype. Mirri is also in my Cube, and also a really good pick in this strategy.
I have the same doubts as you about korlash, but i'll give the Whole MonoBlack Archetypes a try.
Celestial Crusader was also in balance with Sleth Tiger and tiger is far from close of the Crusader. Really a good addition to the White Weenie Archetype.
Predatory Nightstalker was in my cube, and has been removed for shriekmaw. I'm still not sure its the good call as it can kill a black Creature, but the Evoke cost and the Fear ability are in balance, and i'm not even sure that both should be in the cube. But if both Shreikmaw and Predatory Nightstalker can be in the cube, Weis assassin is unfrotunatly not good enough because of his color requirements.
On a side note; i decided myself to go to 125 cards for each color, including the new morningtide goodness, so i'll add :
Lands :
Urborg, Tomb of Yawmoth
Cabal Coffer Mutavault
Murmuring Bosk
Black :
Consume Spirit
Drain Life
Tendrils of Corruption
Corrupt
Korlash Maralen
Red :
Tarox Bladewing Titan's Revenge Tauren Mauler
Countryside Crusher
Rival's Duel
Form of the Dragon Shard Volley
Green : Chameleon Colossus
Briarhorn Reach of Branches
Alluren
2 archetypes i want to try are MBC (and help for aggro) and MBA and Enchantement combo (Replenish/Enduring/Flash-rector) so i'll add all the needed cards for both. Aluren will be tested, not sure if its good or not, but MonoGreenAggro is drafted alot those last days so why not. Add another combo archetype too. Briarhorn also comes in for the same reasons as aluren, i simply forget it and played with a Friend's Cube and finally noticed how good he is.
Now, all i have to do is to find what card to remove.
Some other cards i seriously consider :
Thanks for the reply. I ended up cutting Nezumi Cutthroat for Demon as Cutthroat has been rather lackluster during his stay in the cube. This does of course make black slightly heavier on 4cc (or one could argue 3cc), but that's not necessarily a negative.
Neonico, has Grinning Demon been good for you? I've always wondered how effective he is, since you pay double the life per turn for +1/+1 and morph in comparison to Juzam/Plague Sliver. I always flirt with including him, but right now the slot I considered for him (and previously Korlash but I also found him underwhelming) is taken up by the flying Mirri. I think she's only seen play once so far, where she was decent but nothing exceptional. I'm always doing my best to make black aggro a playable archetype, but it's still a work in progress.
Also, I've looked over your cube list previously and wondered what your thoughts on Celestial Crusader were. Similar to my thoughts on Grinning Demon, this guy appears to be solid enough to see play and to help enhance the White Weenie archetype. I currently am running Seht's Tiger in that 4cc slot right now, but I'm definitely willing to give Crusader a shot as Tiger hasn't really been an all-star.
EDIT: And just speaking in general, I continue to see cubes without Predatory Nightstalker / Wei Assassins, and it confuses me. In my cube, those are simply some of the best black creatures available, easily comparable with Shriekmaw.
Perhaps Shriekmaw is already in it, and they want more of theose removal creatures ..
Anyways Grinning Demon is not in my cube, yet, I do like him. You play him for 3, next turn you attack with a morph, then you unmorph, so you have at least one free attack with a 6/6. If they kill it now, you won't have lost any life. I think he's pretty good, but I like Plague Sliver more (especially with all the Changelings around now )
Celestial Crusader is also very good and also not in my cube. In TSP PLC drafts he was a very strong pick. It's like a Glorious anthem with Flash. And Anthem is good in WW.
The cutthroat is a good beater, but since he can't block, he won't do any good if he arrives in the later game so I understand the choice.
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In my cube, i play all the pickles morph (Fathom seer, Brine elemental, Vesuvan shapeshifter) some green ones (Hystrodon, thelon hermit, Nantuko vigilante) some Gobelins morph (Skirk Marauder) Dwarven blastminer, the colorless ones (Gathan Raiders/Zombie cutthroat) so its also good to have as much good morphs as possible in every colors. That's also a reason why Grinning demon is in the cube instead of Juzam Djinn.
exalted angel and whipcorder are my white morphs, Bane of the Living is also a nice black morph. But I do have more blue morphs (Willbender, raven guild master, chromeshell crab, ..)
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Zoetic Cavern also makes a nice morph if you have a number of morphs in your cube to help disguise your plays, as it fits in any color. Other morphs I didnt see mentioned that we use include red Akroma, Nantuko Vigilante, and Blistering Firecat. I can't imagine a Cube without Willbender...
Played laPile's cube at the Ohio pre-release, and I fully endorse it. The power level's pretty balanced, it's unpowered (which is a big deal to some people), but still good enough to do some broken things. I stomped face with a r/g aggro deck, which was unanimously decided to be the best deck at the table. Had to ask about a bunch of old cards, as I've only been playing for a couple years and laPile's cube is almost entirely foreign language cards. (seems like a weird habit to me, but a lot of people seem to like it)
Honestly, Stonewood Invocation won me more games than any other card in the deck. Untargetibility and split second are soooo good in cube stuff.
I really wanted to go first turn slith firewalker (off a chrome mox), but never managed to. I did manage to go turn 2 Iwamori, off first turn treetop village, chrome mox, fyndhorn elves.
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Ho yes i forgot all the mentionned morph that i of course play : exalted angel and whipcorder, Zoetic Cavern, red Akroma, Blistering Firecat and Willbender
What's been everyone's experience behind the cards Time Warp, Capture of Jingzhou, and Temporal Manipulation? These cards have been in and out of my cube more than I can remember, but the general consensus within my general playgroup is that they are absolutely terrible, and thus nobody seems to draft then and they are often last picks. My cube isn't very combo-oriented (intentionally), so there aren't really many ways to manipulate the cards to go infinite, but the cards at least appear to me to be solid stand-alone cards that would assist the blue aggro package I have in place. I've never had the opportunity to play them, sadly, since I almost always force Boros or some red/green aggro variant. Hopefully I can bring myself to sling some islands again soon, as it's been a while for me.
The trouble is that the costs are high enough that the cards basically just cycle for no real effect. They're worse than Mishra's Bauble though, because you can't use them to rescue a mana shortage in the early game.
As such the only time you want such a card is if your board situation is such that the free combat phase is worth something. If you have five power of evasive attackers on the board that makes it equivalent to... Lava Axe. Not great.
So yeah, these cards are really late picks. In a high powered cube I'd seldom bother drafting them.
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The cantrip Lava Axe on a good day example seems like a very good way of approaching how effective they are. It's nice to know that everyone where I play wasn't alone in their opinion since almost all other cubes appear to have at least Time Warp.
I would put at least one version of it in my cube. When you have 7 mana in blue, the extra turn is basically 2 mana + 1 card extra. And as said, if you have an evasion creature in play, it's an extra combat phase.
You could add Panoptic Mirror to make it more appealing (infi combo)
I must say I like Time stop more. Usually it's the same but there are times you can Time Stop to remove the lethal combat damage from the stack or remove a spell on the stack.
I think I have Walk the Eons in my cube, but it's not that great. It has its moments.
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But you can be sure the titan's revenge will be in. This card is sooooooooo insane. X blast spells are allready really good picks in drafts, but a potentially recursive one, or at least one that can filter your draws is totally in.
Yesterday, we moneydrafted the cube, and i was playing RU Mizzet combo, featuring Welder/Crucible/Seat of Synod, Intuition/Gifts, Memory Jar/Magus of the jar, and breaking a jar to wrath an opponent is so funny ^^
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Usually at his worst he is as 2/2 regenerater (2-color deck).. that's not that good, but he can be as big as 4/4 of 5/5, and that is VERY good for 2BB. I also have all RAV duals and all real duals in my cube, and that helps ..
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Also, I've looked over your cube list previously and wondered what your thoughts on Celestial Crusader were. Similar to my thoughts on Grinning Demon, this guy appears to be solid enough to see play and to help enhance the White Weenie archetype. I currently am running Seht's Tiger in that 4cc slot right now, but I'm definitely willing to give Crusader a shot as Tiger hasn't really been an all-star.
EDIT: And just speaking in general, I continue to see cubes without Predatory Nightstalker / Wei Assassins, and it confuses me. In my cube, those are simply some of the best black creatures available, easily comparable with Shriekmaw.
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I have the same doubts as you about korlash, but i'll give the Whole MonoBlack Archetypes a try.
Celestial Crusader was also in balance with Sleth Tiger and tiger is far from close of the Crusader. Really a good addition to the White Weenie Archetype.
Predatory Nightstalker was in my cube, and has been removed for shriekmaw. I'm still not sure its the good call as it can kill a black Creature, but the Evoke cost and the Fear ability are in balance, and i'm not even sure that both should be in the cube. But if both Shreikmaw and Predatory Nightstalker can be in the cube, Weis assassin is unfrotunatly not good enough because of his color requirements.
On a side note; i decided myself to go to 125 cards for each color, including the new morningtide goodness, so i'll add :
Lands :
Urborg, Tomb of Yawmoth
Cabal Coffer
Mutavault
Murmuring Bosk
Black :
Consume Spirit
Drain Life
Tendrils of Corruption
Corrupt
Korlash
Maralen
Red :
Tarox Bladewing
Titan's Revenge
Tauren Mauler
Countryside Crusher
Rival's Duel
Form of the Dragon
Shard Volley
Green :
Chameleon Colossus
Briarhorn
Reach of Branches
Alluren
Withe :
Replenish
Enduring Ideal
Stonehewer Giant
Reveillark
Graceful Reprieve
Blue :
Flash
Negate
2 archetypes i want to try are MBC (and help for aggro) and MBA and Enchantement combo (Replenish/Enduring/Flash-rector) so i'll add all the needed cards for both. Aluren will be tested, not sure if its good or not, but MonoGreenAggro is drafted alot those last days so why not. Add another combo archetype too. Briarhorn also comes in for the same reasons as aluren, i simply forget it and played with a Friend's Cube and finally noticed how good he is.
Now, all i have to do is to find what card to remove.
Some other cards i seriously consider :
Mogg War Marshal
Priest of Titania
Ashling the pilgrim
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Perhaps Shriekmaw is already in it, and they want more of theose removal creatures ..
Anyways Grinning Demon is not in my cube, yet, I do like him. You play him for 3, next turn you attack with a morph, then you unmorph, so you have at least one free attack with a 6/6. If they kill it now, you won't have lost any life. I think he's pretty good, but I like Plague Sliver more (especially with all the Changelings around now )
Celestial Crusader is also very good and also not in my cube. In TSP PLC drafts he was a very strong pick. It's like a Glorious anthem with Flash. And Anthem is good in WW.
The cutthroat is a good beater, but since he can't block, he won't do any good if he arrives in the later game so I understand the choice.
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I really wanted to go first turn slith firewalker (off a chrome mox), but never managed to. I did manage to go turn 2 Iwamori, off first turn treetop village, chrome mox, fyndhorn elves.
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As such the only time you want such a card is if your board situation is such that the free combat phase is worth something. If you have five power of evasive attackers on the board that makes it equivalent to... Lava Axe. Not great.
So yeah, these cards are really late picks. In a high powered cube I'd seldom bother drafting them.
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You could add Panoptic Mirror to make it more appealing (infi combo)
I must say I like Time stop more. Usually it's the same but there are times you can Time Stop to remove the lethal combat damage from the stack or remove a spell on the stack.
I think I have Walk the Eons in my cube, but it's not that great. It has its moments.
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