Quote from calibretto »We resleeved with KMC hypers about two or so years ago. They were the worst sleeves I've ever used and I played back in the late 90s when all you could get were red and black Ultra Pros. We've since sleeved with Ultra Pro Eclipse. The quality on them is great as far as durability and shuffle feel goes, but one box won't sleeve the whole cube, so we had to purchase for two batches. Unfortunately that resulted in two different heights, so beware if you decide to go that direction. I'd recommend for a single deck, but I don't think I'd go Eclipse for something as large as a cube again.
Quote from SavannahLion »What do you mean by, "two different heights"? Is the difference with a single sleeved card between batches that dramatic in height? That's nuts.
Quote from DSF »I've had the same issue (noticeably inconsistent size) with Ultra Pro sleeves before, although I believe it was a different line than Eclipse.
For those complaining about the quality of KMC, there was a response posted earlier in the thread. KMC claims this was the results of knock-offs being sold as authentic KMCs on Amazon by 3rd party sellers. I have no idea whether this is true or not. I purchased my KMC sleeves around the time that complaints began popping up and mine have been great so far. (My cube is still in the original sleeves after several years and we've only lost a few to splitting, but my group doesn't get together as often as some do.)
Quote from calibretto »Quote from SavannahLion »What do you mean by, "two different heights"? Is the difference with a single sleeved card between batches that dramatic in height? That's nuts.
Here's the cube with the cards standing up right. You can visibly see the obvious difference in height between the batches.
Under normal circumstances without the height issue, I love Eclipse sleeves. The quality is great. The shuffle feel is great. With this height issue, though, I really dislike them. They feel terrible to shuffle. I've since picked up a few packs here and there that have matched the taller sleeves to try to off set it some, but I sleeved the basics first, so they are all in the shorter sleeves. I've thought about just picking up another case to try to match one or the other, but I really don't need that many extra sleeves.
I posted this pic to the UltraPro Facebook hoping they'd recognize the issue, but I got no responses.
Quote from Cythare »Has anyone here tried out the new Ultimate Guard Katana sleeves?
Quote from SavannahLion »Oh..... I see. I thought you were talking about them stacked, I.e. Thickness. What a goof I am!
Yeah, my experience has been spotty with Ultra-Pro and their tolerances. I can see having a 3+/-mm or so tolerance on their penny sleeves. But it gets pretty damn ridiculus when the 1 or 2 mm tolerance on their pro-fits and a similar tolerances on their deck sleeves mean double sleeved cards can stick out of the top.
Even the cheaper BCW sleeves have much tighter tolerances.
Really the only reason I have to buy Ultra-Pro is their ubiquitousness with the market. Stores that offer Dragon or KMC are typically sold out whenever I really need to buy them and have a ton on hand when I don't need to buy any.
Quote from calibretto »Quote from Cythare »Has anyone here tried out the new Ultimate Guard Katana sleeves?
I haven't even been able to get a single pack to sleeve a random deck in order to test them. My LGS can't keep them in stock. I do have a friend who ordered some online. He let me check them out and shuffle them when he got them, so I can vouch for the look and the shuffle feel on a small sample size. Just based on that, assuming you could get them for a decent price and there aren't any quality issues between cases when buying that many, it seems like a good sleeve option.
Quote from calibretto »Either Dragon Shield or Katana are probably the best on the market right now. Katana sleeves have proved to be somewhat hard to get, especially in bulk rates to sleeve 500 or more cards at once.
I use UltraPro Eclipse sleeves for my powered cube. They are also great as far as shuffle feel and durability. Cons for me are the 'frosted' style fronts which can often just hide the fact that you're playing with foils. It also seems they can vary in length between cases/packs. I bought a case plus several packs in order to have enough for my entire cube and I have the unfortunate problem now of about a third of the cube being in sleeves that are just a bit taller than the rest. I will add that I have Eclipse sleeves on a few pauper decks and I haven't seen the miscut problem there. So, I guess YMMV.