MTG Salvation

Here discussion of RW cards go.

• What RW cards ones do you play in your cube at what size.
• What's yours top 10 RW cards?
• Etc.

Figure of Destiny and Ajani Vengeant are pretty much untouchable. I would be open to cutting Lightning Helix (and have in the past). It's back in there now and it's very efficient. I'm running Slayers' Stronghold as my 4th Boros card and it rarely sees play in my Cube. The number of Cubes that run it is insanely high...higher than I think it should be. It's a great card if your manabase is strong but if not then you're weakening your mana with a colorless land. It's a great land but I'm not sure if it's exactly what my Cube needs. I wouldn't be sad to cut it. I have room for one more Boros card & a cut for the Stronghold if necessary. Based on the spoilers thus far, we'll see if that's enough.

Slayers' Stronghold has been extremely solid here, much more so than Lightning Helix. It's in our cube to stay, probably for a long while.

I like the Stronghold more than Helix too. It makes drawing a late-game aggro dude not so bad. And if you don't have a dude to play, you still give your best critter +2 and vigilance. Pretty sweet.

I'll add Duergar Hedge-Mage back in if I expand; it's a good placeholder until Gatecrash comes out.

Cheers,
rant

With so many first-striking and protection creatures in white stronghold is amazing. If you untap with a Baneslayer and a Stronghold you will not lose the game.

For some of the cubes using more multi color cards, or promoting certain archetypes, I was surprised no one uses Rise of the Hobgoblins. I like the goblin potential, but mostly love the first strike ability (although yes requires an activation each turn), and the fact that it's often less targeted due to its "emptiness" once it hits the board. Your thoughts?

With the Ajani, I presume he really shines in tapping down your opponents land or problematic critter? Gives a bit of control to the already aggressive archetype, as well as reusable lightning helix?

Just curious on some discussion on him. My group didn't use him much so I cut him a year plus ago. Seeing him in the top three lists of many cubes I am curious

Ajani is amongst the most poewrful Planeswalker, and probably even card, in cube. I'll first pick him any day. You're right on his usage. Sometimes, tapping down that one land or anything can really screw with the opponent.

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Ajani is amongst the most poewrful Planeswalker, and probably even card, in cube. I'll first pick him any day. You're right on his usage. Sometimes, tapping down that one land or anything can really screw with the opponent.

I'd say ajani is the third best walker behind jace, the mind sculptor and elspeth knight errant. And it's close with elspeth. Ajani is just sick.

That is pretty accurate. And witty!

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Slayers' Stronghold has been extremely solid here, much more so than Lightning Helix. It's in our cube to stay, probably for a long while.

Agreed. This card is so ridiculous.
I think Ajani V, Figs, and Stronghold are the big 3. Surprisingly lightning helix isn't the beast it used to be. Kinda parallels FTK in many regards (still good but no longer beast-mode). In my opinion, DHM needs more respect. This card bailed me out of SO many "oh crap" situations. Most recently, I took down an opposing O-ring AND blew up their sword. Absolutely bananas. It's also splashable in many draft decks for 1 effect (ie; using it as a white + nuke enchants or red + nuke artifacts).

Ajani and Figure is a staple. Slayerhold is good, but there's a still distant gap between it and Figure. I'm hoping for some awesome Boros card from Gategrash to replace it.

Fury for sure.

New Boros Section:

1. Ajani Vengeant
2. Figure of Destiny
3. Boros Charm
4. Slayers' Stronghold
5. Lightning Helix
6. Aurelia's Fury

Quote from wtwlf123

New Boros Section:

1. Ajani Vengeant
2. Figure of Destiny
3. Boros Charm
4. Slayers' Stronghold
5. Lightning Helix
6. Aurelia's Fury

This is my section as well + Reckoner and Signet.

Now I just need one more card as my post RTR guild sections are 9 cards. Now I just hope we get more boros cards in the next and final set of the block.

Bondafong, why aren't you running goblin trenches?

It's been pretty solid for us, and it should fit your cube size ok.

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Bondafong, why aren't you running goblin trenches?

It's been pretty solid for us, and it should fit your cube size ok.

I am now, but have been looking to cut it for some time. It's been underperforming the last year or so.

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I am looking for my last Boros slot. Its between Duergar Hedge-Mage, Aurelia's Fury and Boros Reckoner. I am leaning towards the Reckoner, but I am not sure.

I'm probably going to run Reckoner as my fourth card as I need red three drops, and I consider him, Stronghold and Fury pretty interchangeable. I'm not wedded to any of the Boros cards other than Charm, Figure and Ajani, and basically, that's the effect my cube wants most at this point in time.

I had a guy say (who went 4-0 in an 8-man with Boros) say that Fury was really insane for him over the draft. I only threw him in as temporary filler (since I *really* wanted to test some GTC cards) but its performance over the weekend has earned a spot in the "testing zone" for the near future.

I feel strongly about the top 3 Boros cards but ranking #4-#6 is surprisingly close.

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I am looking for my last Boros slot. Its between Duergar Hedge-Mage, Aurelia's Fury and Boros Reckoner. I am leaning towards the Reckoner, but I am not sure.

Duergar Hedge-Maze isn't necessary until you get into larger cube sizes, I think. I'm leaning towards Fury, but only because that triple mana on the Reckoner is such a pain.

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Duergar Hedge-Maze isn't necessary until you get into larger cube sizes, I think. I'm leaning towards Fury, but only because that triple mana on the Reckoner is such a pain.

Firstly, Awesome typo

Secondly, I think at 720 there is room to play both the Fury and the Reckoner, I am going to try both and may cut one depending on the results but I think Reckoner is my #8 boros card.

Question to the masses: Is charm that high up? wtwlf123's rankings really open my eyes.

So far, it's been a total boss.

I would probably reverse stronghold and helix, but wtwlf's list looks correct.

Maybe I just like Helix more than most.

You don't. I think I value it slightly less than most here. It's a solid spell, but most of the time my Boros decks don't care that much about the lifegain, so it's more or less a hard to cast Searing Spear. Which is fine, because I want as many Searing Spears as I can get ...but ya.

Helix is a house. I love slayer's but honestly get more done with the RW zapper. Basically everytime I play that card it's a good move. Very excited to pick up a boros charm now.

If you ran only 5 RW slots, you would run your top 5 or would you possibly mix things up? Fury looks incredible I can't believe it wont make the cut. Maybe I'll cut slayer's for it.