Yeah...NOW we are derailing. But ok, a quick answer. I'm not going into wtf's post, since he's long stopped providing us readers with substantial content in relation to my arguments.
This is hilarious. wtwlf is WAY better at articulating his position than you.
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People think for themselves just fine here bro. It just so happens your way of thinking is "been there, done that" for a lot of veteran cubers. Trust me, your ideas are not that revolutionary
Gubbe, I think you are unwilling to accept the idea that some people actually find cards like Baneslayer fun. While I am with you personally that cards like Karmic Guide are more fun and rewarding, many players find cards like Baneslayer just as enjoyable. You have argued that that line of thinking is "wrong", and I would say you have no right to dictate what style of play people should enjoy more. And in terms of power level, while KG might have the highest ceiling, it doesn't have the consistently high power level of cards like Baneslayer and Cloudgoat.
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The thread has been closed temporarily, maybe permanently, while the moderators discuss the incident and decide on the most appropriate response to. Again, I remind everyone, everyone, to show restraint and not engage when it is obviously inappropriate. We are fast running out of patience.
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Does anyone want to explain the argument for Karmic Guide? From my understanding:
1. Combo with with Reveillark + sacrifice outlet.
2. Creatures are easy to tutor off cards like Pod/ Recurring Nightmare/ Survival of the Fittest.
3. Works with EOT Flicker.
Do you feel there is a place for this card in Cube in 2021? I'm personally disliking how similar in function the Reanimation spells are and I would like some functional diversity between these effects.
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I think you nailed the arguments for it. It's a good card, but no I don't think it belongs in most power max cubes of smaller size today. Maybe a 720 cube or an archetype focused lower power cube.
Does anyone want to explain the argument for Karmic Guide? From my understanding:
1. Combo with with Reveillark + sacrifice outlet.
2. Creatures are easy to tutor off cards like Pod/ Recurring Nightmare/ Survival of the Fittest.
3. Works with EOT Flicker.
Do you feel there is a place for this card in Cube in 2021? I'm personally disliking how similar in function the Reanimation spells are and I would like some functional diversity between these effects.
Outside of infinite loops, Angel of Invention is generally better since it has its own built-in value that doesn't rely on your graveyard and also has a Baneslayer Angel mode. Same with any other 5-cmc army-in-can. Back in Karmic Guide's hayday, there really weren't any other 5-cmc value creatures, but now we have too many to choose from.
As far as reanimation / cheaty face effects goes, I just think white is one of the worst colors for it because it has the least discard outlets. Personally I wouldn't consider Karmic Guide unless I was trying to force something like Unburial Rites.
Karmic Guide is a really cool card, but it's hard to justify now. Maybe Modern Horizons 3 will give us Karmic Guide 2.0 for 2WW and without Echo, where it would then be a consideration, but White's 4-6cmc slot is too competitive for me to consider adding Karmic Guide back.
This is hilarious. wtwlf is WAY better at articulating his position than you.
People think for themselves just fine here bro. It just so happens your way of thinking is "been there, done that" for a lot of veteran cubers. Trust me, your ideas are not that revolutionary
The thread went off topic, as explained by Lanxal.
The thread has been closed temporarily, maybe permanently, while the moderators discuss the incident and decide on the most appropriate response to. Again, I remind everyone, everyone, to show restraint and not engage when it is obviously inappropriate. We are fast running out of patience.
—Lanxal
Update: After internal review, Gubbe85 has been suspended for two weeks for his inappropriate conduct over the past few days. This thread has been reopened for discussion — hopefully we can move on from this mess and get back on topic. We will be keeping an eye on things, making sure things don't end up as badly as they did. Please keep things courteous and ontopic so that further actions are not necessary.
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1. Combo with with Reveillark + sacrifice outlet.
2. Creatures are easy to tutor off cards like Pod/ Recurring Nightmare/ Survival of the Fittest.
3. Works with EOT Flicker.
Do you feel there is a place for this card in Cube in 2021? I'm personally disliking how similar in function the Reanimation spells are and I would like some functional diversity between these effects.
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Outside of infinite loops, Angel of Invention is generally better since it has its own built-in value that doesn't rely on your graveyard and also has a Baneslayer Angel mode. Same with any other 5-cmc army-in-can. Back in Karmic Guide's hayday, there really weren't any other 5-cmc value creatures, but now we have too many to choose from.
As far as reanimation / cheaty face effects goes, I just think white is one of the worst colors for it because it has the least discard outlets. Personally I wouldn't consider Karmic Guide unless I was trying to force something like Unburial Rites.
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