I posted my questions here and on Reddit and the responses have been really varied, but a few constants.
Angelic Destiny is definitely a cut. Most people ranked them 1) Entreat 2) Sumblime 3)Linvala 4)Destiny. I'm curious as to why you gave Linvala the edge Wtwlf. I think I agree to be honest, white 4CC is a crowded space with existing powerful Angels(Gisela, Resto, Exalted via morph), it is weak to red, wants you to have more creatures but to only attack with one. It seems to be a bit of a nonbo with itself except in instances where it alone can go unblocked in the air and get in for big damage. Linvala on the other hand has a worst case scenario of being a 5/5 flyer for 4WW but only when you're already ahead on life and creature count. If you're behind on Life she does a nice Thragtusk impression and if you're behind on board she nets you a whopping eight flying power over two bodies. This seems to be what control style decks want in my estimation. Also the 6CC creature spot in White has Sun Titan and that's it. The only other high CC drop in white is Elesh Norn.
Unfortunately, for my hopes of replacing Liliana most responses said she is the best of the three so she stays for now.
Aristocrat won out based on all responses. Grenzo and Vial Smasher seem very evenly matched and I'll probably test both.
For Red there was a consensus on Earthshaker Khenra and Glorybringer, but for the third card I got Smash to Smithereens, Hero of Oxid Ridge, and Hordeling Outburst
For Green there was consensus on Tooth and Nail and then Yasova, Rhonas, Constrictor, and Song all got the next most votes. Curse of Predation was a clear loser.
Finally, I won't include Mirri.
It's crazy what a single extra brainstorm in 500 cards can do for a cards value heh... In my cube, entreat the angels is by far the best control finisher. It really needs at least 1 hand->library effect to be considered though.
With 3 library manipulation effects, IE 1x brain storm, 1x jace the mind sculptor and a sensei's divining top, the card is nuts.
Like temporal mastery, it's card that actually gets better the smaller the cube. I think i'd include it at 360, but not sure at 720
I would definitely rank them as you listed fwiw and i've played with them all a fair bit in my cube and the modo cube. I had good experiences with sublime archangel and think it's an underapreciated white 4 agro drop.
I'd cut Kor Skyfisher! It's a great card, but I find it shines in powered cubes and is alright in unpowered. Unless you want more bounce/flicker effects, Imposing Sovereign would be my suggested next cut. I'm okay with Thalia, Heretic Cathar solely taking that role at that size. Accorder Paladin is a boss 2 drop!
Palace Jailer > the rest, I'm personally cutting Gisela for Warleader
Tezzeret Artifice Master > Tamiyo > Tezzeret the Seeker in powerlevel, but if you want to support the artifact deck, Tezzeret is more important than Tamiyo.
Diabolic > Contempt > Chainer's
Marshal > Hexmage
I'd play Ulamog first, but at 450 I'd find room for both somewhere. Emrakul is a sweeter play, but Ulamog probably wins more games.
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i'd cut aetherling for sure. sphinx is just amazing and the plays and blow outs with gearhulk are so fun. if you play the gearhulk properly it will have no trouble finishing for control as well or better than aetherling.
I think AEtherling is a fantastic control finisher, but I find it the least interesting and I don't really see potential for abuse. Sphinx remains a colossal draw engine and gearhulk can create some interesting plays, so I would keep them over AEtherling. Additionally, I think it's worth noting that Gearhulk is an artifact, and I think in the context of including an artifact-themed PW you have even more reason to keep him around.
Cut Aetherling. I agree with Viss on all his points. Aetherling is THE control finisher, but often, Gearhulk can close out games just as well as Aetherling. Gearhulk into Fact of Fiction, Dig through Time, Cryptic Command or Mystic Confluence is insane value. Honestly, even a timely counterspell and the body on Gearhulk can just do the job of the closing.
Goreclaw > Ripjaw > Surrak > Bramble, but Ripjaw is lower if you don't support Wildfire (I do)
Geopede > Pyromancer > Mauler, but Pyromancer is more flexible than the other two.
Dance > Servitude > Mannequin
Push >> Path > Contempt. 4 mana is a lot for a single removal spell, even at instant speed.
It's crazy what a single extra brainstorm in 500 cards can do for a cards value heh... In my cube, entreat the angels is by far the best control finisher. It really needs at least 1 hand->library effect to be considered though.
With 3 library manipulation effects, IE 1x brain storm, 1x jace the mind sculptor and a sensei's divining top, the card is nuts.
This is our impression as well. Entreat is insane and you can go pretty deep on the theme if you run uncards like Mise and even the weird custom card Aku Fehling, the Predictor (which was some kind of 5-Color format special card).
Isareth > the other two, but don't know about the order.
Neither clone effect seems good to me ...just play the newer one to test it?
Neither of those white 2's are good enough, IMO.
I don't like either of those green 5cc cards either.
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It's crazy what a single extra brainstorm in 500 cards can do for a cards value heh... In my cube, entreat the angels is by far the best control finisher. It really needs at least 1 hand->library effect to be considered though.
With 3 library manipulation effects, IE 1x brain storm, 1x jace the mind sculptor and a sensei's divining top, the card is nuts.
Like temporal mastery, it's card that actually gets better the smaller the cube. I think i'd include it at 360, but not sure at 720
I would definitely rank them as you listed fwiw and i've played with them all a fair bit in my cube and the modo cube. I had good experiences with sublime archangel and think it's an underapreciated white 4 agro drop.
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I'd cut Kor Skyfisher! It's a great card, but I find it shines in powered cubes and is alright in unpowered. Unless you want more bounce/flicker effects, Imposing Sovereign would be my suggested next cut. I'm okay with Thalia, Heretic Cathar solely taking that role at that size. Accorder Paladin is a boss 2 drop!
Palace Jailer > the rest, I'm personally cutting Gisela for Warleader
Tezzeret Artifice Master > Tamiyo > Tezzeret the Seeker in powerlevel, but if you want to support the artifact deck, Tezzeret is more important than Tamiyo.
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This is our impression as well. Entreat is insane and you can go pretty deep on the theme if you run uncards like Mise and even the weird custom card Aku Fehling, the Predictor (which was some kind of 5-Color format special card).
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