Urza is definitely great. How great probably depends on how much you support the artifact deck. Even without it, he makes a token and turns all your other artifacts into Mox Sapphires. That's pretty insane. With just one other artifact in play, he comes into play with a 2/2 and leaves mana open for a counterspell.
Rolling Earthquake = Earthquake > Subterranean Tremors.
The top 2 are roughly equal. Rolling basicaly damages all but OG Earthquake can be asymmetrical. Subterranean Tremors not hitting players is its weakness. However if you want a control card, this is the best among the 3 IMO.
I like Earthquake and Tremors more than Rolling Earthquake. They can be used to enable 1-sided board wipes for Moat/Quake shells, and they're easier to make asymmetrical because of that. Once they changed the planeswalker damage-redirection rules, I think RE lost too much utility.
Rolling Earthquake > Earthquake > Subterranean Temors, IMO. I think their primary function is to act as generic, splashable sweepers first than they are to build around with flyers.
Rolling Earthquake > Earthquake > Subterranean Temors, IMO. I think their primary function is to act as generic, splashable sweepers first than they are to build around with flyers.
I agree with that. Termors is the worst because it kills your own mana rocks, which just makes it too narrow. Not hitting players is actually a benefit for most decks that want sweepers, but not enough to overcome the narrowness. I think all three cards are much worse now than before though, I might play none in a small cube.
I like the OG Tezz more, especially if you support Vault. If you're playing it as a random goodstuff card, the newer one is better, but with ramp, combo and utility support, the OG one is stronger.
Is there a consensus on the ranking of the red 3mana token producers? With the new phoenix I need to find a cut and I think the red threes are super hard to rank.
For me, I'd say:
Najeela (depends on how well Warriors are supported in your cube, it may be harder to get enough Warriors in red beyond 360)
Rabblemaster
Krenko
Warboss
Hanweir
edit: I just looked at your cube, Warriors are super supported.
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Also, which would you rather run - Ancient Stone Idol, or Emrakul the Promised End?
The Idol works with tinker/welder and is arguably better with sneak attack/TTB/Feldon since it leaves behind a 6/12 dude. Emrakul flies, and has a cast trigger (although it's probably not getting hardcast often). Both work reasonably well with reanimator or Show and Tell.
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Also, which would you rather run - Ancient Stone Idol, or Emrakul the Promised End?
The Idol works with tinker/welder and is arguably better with sneak attack/TTB/Feldon since it leaves behind a 6/12 dude. Emrakul flies, and has a cast trigger (although it's probably not getting hardcast often). Both work reasonably well with reanimator or Show and Tell.
Adanto Vanguard or Imposing Sovereign here--probably more so on Sovereign than Vanguard. Sovereign is better against midrange decks and Vanguard's indestructibility can be a real thorn in the side of control players. Furthermore, I'm currently on Promised End and not Ancient Stone Idol because I don't think Tinker needs anymore help. I also think Promised End is superior with Channel, which I believe can use the support. Protection from instants is also pretty relevant.
Feldon never worked well for us. Sin Prodder is also a redundant low tier aggro in a stacked slot. Most decks actively look for at least one effect like Revelers, so it’s a great choice in a larger Cube, although I recognize smaller Cubes already fill that need.
For that reason, this is my ranking with a large separation between Revelers and Feldon. I could see Phoenix becoming better than Warboss, but we don’t have enough experience to make that call yet.
Warboss => Phoenix > Revelers > Prodder Sin Prodder
Really can't compare Feldon to these. If you support red graveyard shenanigans and want a red version of Recurring Nightmare, Feldon is a shoe-in. If not, it's easily passable. Just a matter of what you support.
I agree with wtwlf, but might run Phoenix over Warboss if you feel like you are saturated with red 3cc token makers. Warboss is only the 3rd best one of these.
I know these two cards don’t compete for one slot... But -
Life from the Loam or Crucible of Worlds?
I ask because Crucible hasn’t performed very well in our group, and the group is using that as an argument as to why I shouldn’t re-add Loam. However, my inclination is that Loam will be better because it has more synergies.
Ouch. Both or neither. If they don't like Crucible, they're not gonna like Loam either. We love both and play both to amazing success, but if you're cutting Crucible, I wouldn't play Loam either.
Ouch. Both or neither. If they don't like Crucible, they're not gonna like Loam either. We love both and play both to amazing success, but if you're cutting Crucible, I wouldn't play Loam either.
Makes sense. I know you're high on these cards, but for some reason they haven't worked well for us over the years. We may go for Once Upon a Time in the Loam slot.
I'm trying to find a cut to try out the new Heliod, but it's tough because there isn't really a card like him in the cube right now (is he included as a creature? an Enchantment? etc). Would it make sense to try cutting Flickerwisp or Spectral Procession for him? Or Force of Virtue? Hard to tell if I am barking up the wrong tree, and it's extra tough since I am trying to find room for Shatter the Sky too...
What about replacing Skinrender with Eat to Extinction (assuming that's the one to cut over Nekraatal)? We've been getting a lot more planeswalkers as of late and some extra planeswalker removal would be nice.
No clue what to cut for the Phoenix... Warboss seems like the only option but Warboss has been good for us. Is cutting Robber of the Rich a mistake for curve reasons? We have so many red threes now (and I recently kind-of added another by cutting Lightning Strike for Bonecrusher Giant in ELD)
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Rolling Earthquake = Earthquake > Subterranean Tremors.
The top 2 are roughly equal. Rolling basicaly damages all but OG Earthquake can be asymmetrical. Subterranean Tremors not hitting players is its weakness. However if you want a control card, this is the best among the 3 IMO.
Remove one:
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Harsh Mentor or Hellspark Elemental. Really depends on how many things Harsh Mentor can punish.
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I agree with that. Termors is the worst because it kills your own mana rocks, which just makes it too narrow. Not hitting players is actually a benefit for most decks that want sweepers, but not enough to overcome the narrowness. I think all three cards are much worse now than before though, I might play none in a small cube.
Keldon marauders is the best. I was very disappointed with Mentor, but it was also a very long time ago that I've cubed Hellspark.
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I need to find a cut in my blue section at 450 and I decided to cut one of the Tezzerets. Which one would you cut and why?
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For me, I'd say:
Najeela (depends on how well Warriors are supported in your cube, it may be harder to get enough Warriors in red beyond 360)
Rabblemaster
Krenko
Warboss
Hanweir
edit: I just looked at your cube, Warriors are super supported.
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Accorder Paladin
Adanto Vanguard
Charming Prince
Glory-Bound Initiate
Imposing Sovereign
Also, which would you rather run - Ancient Stone Idol, or Emrakul the Promised End?
The Idol works with tinker/welder and is arguably better with sneak attack/TTB/Feldon since it leaves behind a 6/12 dude. Emrakul flies, and has a cast trigger (although it's probably not getting hardcast often). Both work reasonably well with reanimator or Show and Tell.
Adanto Vanguard or Imposing Sovereign here--probably more so on Sovereign than Vanguard. Sovereign is better against midrange decks and Vanguard's indestructibility can be a real thorn in the side of control players. Furthermore, I'm currently on Promised End and not Ancient Stone Idol because I don't think Tinker needs anymore help. I also think Promised End is superior with Channel, which I believe can use the support. Protection from instants is also pretty relevant.
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For that reason, this is my ranking with a large separation between Revelers and Feldon. I could see Phoenix becoming better than Warboss, but we don’t have enough experience to make that call yet.
Warboss > Phoenix > Revelers >> Feldon > Prodder
Really can't compare Feldon to these. If you support red graveyard shenanigans and want a red version of Recurring Nightmare, Feldon is a shoe-in. If not, it's easily passable. Just a matter of what you support.
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Life from the Loam or Crucible of Worlds?
I ask because Crucible hasn’t performed very well in our group, and the group is using that as an argument as to why I shouldn’t re-add Loam. However, my inclination is that Loam will be better because it has more synergies.
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Makes sense. I know you're high on these cards, but for some reason they haven't worked well for us over the years. We may go for Once Upon a Time in the Loam slot.
What about replacing Skinrender with Eat to Extinction (assuming that's the one to cut over Nekraatal)? We've been getting a lot more planeswalkers as of late and some extra planeswalker removal would be nice.
Should I be slotting in Woe Rider over Vampire Nighthawk or Mardu Strikeleader?
No clue what to cut for the Phoenix... Warboss seems like the only option but Warboss has been good for us. Is cutting Robber of the Rich a mistake for curve reasons? We have so many red threes now (and I recently kind-of added another by cutting Lightning Strike for Bonecrusher Giant in ELD)
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