MTG Salvation

I like Ral #1, Izzet Charm #2.
3rd spot is a toss up between fire/ice and electrolyze. I could live without either of these.

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Anyways, we are getting sidetracked here Everybody seems to agree that Ral Zerek will be great if not plain awesome for cube.

That's a good summary. It's probably a staple. Unless Wizards print 3 more even better Izzet card in this set. That's the only way it won't make my cube.

It's probably due to me that things start getting sidetracked. I'm not sure if I should bring unreleased card to the Izzet guild thread, though, that's why I bring it up here.

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Unless Wizards print 3 more even better Izzet card in this set.

I really doubt that would happen. Ral is pretty bomb for the cube.

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I really doubt that would happen. Ral is pretty bomb for the cube.

Exactly Hence why this card is probably a staple for a long time to comes.

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This guy is no Ajani Vengeant. All three abilities are worse. But it's in Izzet, which is a weaker guild, so I have no problem playing it.

I would argue that his +1 is better in a lot of cases considering the colors he is in.

His -2 is better for the sole reason of him starting at 4 loyalty.

Who cares about ultimates, either ultimate should win you the game.

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I would argue that his +1 is better in a lot of cases considering the colors he is in.

His -2 is better for the sole reason of him starting at 4 loyalty.

Who cares about ultimates, either ultimate should win you the game.

His +1 can be equally valuable sometimes, but all in all, it can't be used for resource denial or to protect the 'walker itself (without other cards on the board). I think it's worse than Ajani's ability.

The -2 ability is strictly worse. Plain and simple.

Both ultimates win you the game.

Ral resolves with an extra loyalty, which helps with the fact that the +1 doesn't protect him as well, and that the -2 doesn't gain life. But it doesn't offset both.

I think he's very good. But I think Ajani V still has a pretty significant edge. The best part of Ral is the fact that he doesn't have nearly the same level of competition. It's a gift to have a 'walker in the same conversation as Ajani V in Izzet.

I think I value Ajani Vengeant less then you do in cube, because I see ral zarek as on the same level. I also view Ral zarek as one of the best planeswalkers in cube.

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I think I value Ajani Vengeant less then you do in cube, because I see ral zarek as on the same level. I also view Ral zarek as one of the best planeswalkers in cube.

I rank Ajani Vengeant as the best planeswalker in the cube (or in the top 3 at least, depending on the day of the week :p).

Don't misunderstand, I think Ral is amazing. I also have it ranked as one of the top 'walkers in the cube. He's comparable with the 'walker I have ranked at the very top. It would be silly to think I'd have him ranked much further down from him.

Ok, would a planeswalker power list be useful ever to anyone I wonder? Its something Im curious about
The only ones i can really nail down are
1. Jtms
2. Liliana of the veil

I think Karn would really fluctuate based on whether the cube was powered imo, being a lot better in powered?

America deck dealing 6 per turn with Ajani and Ral is also kind of funny.

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Anyways, we are getting sidetracked here Everybody seems to agree that Ral Zerek will be great if not plain awesome for cube.

Couldn't agree more!

I can't wait to draft a super friends deck with him and vengeant, and i'm so glad that we immediately got a slam dunk staple. Its refreshing after that oh so boring spoiler season for gtc

Ral and AjV would play really well together haha. Tap down their Sun Titan, lock it down with AjV. Or they can each just bolt it.

I can't wait to draft a super friends deck with him and vengeant, and i'm so glad that we immediately got a slam dunk staple. Its refreshing after that oh so boring spoiler season for gtc

Chances are tomorrows cards will be total chaff. I hope the fact that each guild has so little space in the set pushed wizards to make those cards amazing. We'll see.

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I am leaning this way as well. Ral/Fire // Ice/Izzet Charm

This. Except I'll wait for the rest of the spoiler. I thought Aurillea's Fury was also auto-include for Boros early on....then came Boros Charm. Although I don't want to say I expect the same scenario to unfold, there's a chance it may.

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This is clearly going to be the #1 Izzet card for the UR section.

Now the hard part is figuring out what to cut, Izzet Charm, Fire / Ice or Electrolyze?
I'm leaning towards cutting Electrolyze, thoughts?

Electrolyze is the easy cut here. I think Ral and charm are the top two and fire//ice the next. Nothing else is acceptable for a 360, in my opinion. I'm very happy we finally got a staple in this guild.

Me saying that it's not as good as Ajani V doesn't mean a whole lot. I think it's the best 'walker, so even throwing these two in the same conversation should speak volumes about my opinion of Ral.

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Ok, would a planeswalker power list be useful ever to anyone I wonder? Its something Im curious about
The only ones i can really nail down are
1. Jtms
2. Liliana of the veil

There's an article that discusses it in the article subforum.

Both of your top 2 are different from mine already.

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Ok, would a planeswalker power list be useful ever to anyone I wonder? Its something Im curious about
The only ones i can really nail down are
1. Jtms
2. Liliana of the veil

In cube, I think top three planeswalker are, in no particular order

Ajani R/W
Elspeth 1.0
Jace 2.0

@wtwlf123, what's your order?

Those are also my top 3, and their order also fluctuates depending on which one was used most recently to break games. I also think that Gideon is securely at #4. But we should take all of this discussion to the planeswalker ranking article thread.

Awesome abilities! everything's been mentioned up top. I'm taking out Prophetic Bolt finally. A reactive 5 mana cards has been poopty.

I love PBolt. I'm keeping it in, even after the printing of Ral.

Nothing much to add except that I agree Ral is the best Izzet card now. And it's not even close. Spoiler season is off to a good start!

C'mon Gruul 1-drop!

Cheers,
rant

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C'mon Gruul 1-drop!

Cheers,
rant

Unfortunately, I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think there are any hybrid cards in this set. I think they went the split/Fuse route instead.

Fine i want an awesome gruul fuse 1 drop then.

Hm. Okay.

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Fine i want an awesome gruul fuse 1 drop then.

You won't be getting any creatures with fuze

Or any cards you can Fuse for a total of 1 mana.