I'm pretty sure this is a lot of wraths compared to the average cuber/ist but was noticing that a lot of token support has been added recently and was wondering if more wraths in the average cube would rise with the rise in tokens. Just wanted to get feedback on that line of thinking. most of them seem to be used as answers to thrun, bane of the control deck.
I don't run any red mass removal :/. Red is usually on the side supporting tokens and I can't recall it having problems with token strategies. Mostly because of dividable burn, which you could count as token removal.
In my 360 cube i run
White: Wrath of God Day of Judgement Balance terminus (i'm not organized and am not sure i actually still run this)
Black Damnation sudden spoiling Black Sun's Zenith toxic deluge
blue Upheaval
I'm pretty sure this is a lot of wraths compared to the average cuber/ist but was noticing that a lot of token support has been added recently and was wondering if more wraths in the average cube would rise with the rise in tokens. Just wanted to get feedback on that line of thinking. most of them seem to be used as answers to thrun, bane of the control deck.
I don't think it's a lot at all. If anything I'd probably add a few.
I don't run any red mass removal :/. Red is usually on the side supporting tokens and I can't recall it having problems with token strategies. Mostly because of dividable burn, which you could count as token removal.
Red has some of the best mass removal, and it also makes the color less one-dimensional. Earthquake, Rolling Earthquake, Bonfire of the Damned, Wildfire and Burning of Xinye are all killer cards, and I wouldn't cube without them in even the smallest of lists.
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Funnily enough I felt sort of proud as a cube designer. While there is satisfaction in cube in doing something truly awesome I also love it when a player has the perfect response. There were a couple of relatively new cube drafters there who questioned why there were so many "bad" cards in my cube, and Pyroclasm was one of the cards that was picked on. Even though it was to my opponent's advantage, having it kill 15 power-worth of creatures was a fairly emphatic way of showing just how "bad" it really is.
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While it's a bit pricey, Rolling Earthquake is one of my favorite red cards, if not favorite cube cards overall. It's like Earthquake except it's mostly better, since red doesn't have too many playable fliers, and the ones you do have are typically large/can be played around with the R.E.
No O-stone? Too slow?
I like Phyrexian Rebirth in cube. Gives you a huge dude.
Hallowed Burial also good in cube considering the common-ness of reanimator effects.
I like Vengeance more than all of those cards, but I don't know how differently 2HG plays over typical games to say for sure. But if I was going to add another 6cc white wrath to my cube, it'd be Vengeance first. Consistent global removal and cycling gives it the edge for me.
For us it was Upheaval. It took way to long for the group (including me) to understand its value. I think in general it's the "symmetric" effects that tend to fool people, because it is often unclear how much you can break them in a less consistent format than constructed. This is why I often see people under valuing Balance and Wheel of Fortune as well.
To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the cycling cost on Akroma's Vengeance. It's hard to find a window for cycling 3.
Historically I've cycled it away when I'm ahead and need a card that will defend my advantageous board position rather than trying to destroy theirs. Control decks have a lot of opportunities to cycle a card away for 3 in the mid game. I'm sure there are less of these windows in 2HG than there are in 1v1 games though, so my love for the card probably doesn't extend to that particular format.
Earthquake
Sudden Demise
Pyroclasm
Day of Judgment
Wrath of God
Akroma's Vengeance
Elesh Norn
Elspeth, Sun's Champion -3
Supreme Verdict
Nevinyrral's Disk
Oblivion Stone
Damnation
Toxic Deluge
Barter in Blood
White:
Wrath of God
Day of Judgement
Balance
terminus (i'm not organized and am not sure i actually still run this)
Black
Damnation
sudden spoiling
Black Sun's Zenith
toxic deluge
Massacre wurm
blue
Upheaval
Multicolor
Supreme Verdict
Pernicious Deed
Artifact
Nevinryall's disk
I'm pretty sure this is a lot of wraths compared to the average cuber/ist but was noticing that a lot of token support has been added recently and was wondering if more wraths in the average cube would rise with the rise in tokens. Just wanted to get feedback on that line of thinking. most of them seem to be used as answers to thrun, bane of the control deck.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
I don't think it's a lot at all. If anything I'd probably add a few.
For comparison, in my 450 I run:
I also run Powder Keg and Cataclysm but I'm not sure if they reach the definition of wrath effect.
You should be running Earthquake and/or Rolling Earthquake. Bonfire of the Damned might be 360 material as well.
I don't think Sudden Spoiling is good enough, especially now that we have Toxic Deluge from the Commander set.
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Seriously. Do you know how long it took to teach my group to stop passing me Tangle Wire?
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No O-stone? Too slow?
I like Phyrexian Rebirth in cube. Gives you a huge dude.
Hallowed Burial also good in cube considering the common-ness of reanimator effects.
I believe I has spare quakes if you're okay with asian.
I'm really gad i asked this question though since i essentially thought most other peoples wrath section was:
Day of judgement
Wrath of God
Damnation
Supreme Verdict
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=484979
For me, probably ~720. Maybe 630, because I do like the card.
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Historically I've cycled it away when I'm ahead and need a card that will defend my advantageous board position rather than trying to destroy theirs. Control decks have a lot of opportunities to cycle a card away for 3 in the mid game. I'm sure there are less of these windows in 2HG than there are in 1v1 games though, so my love for the card probably doesn't extend to that particular format.
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Thanks, but I only cube English cards. Also, no money or good tradables right now.
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