MTG Salvation

Quote from Edward Mass

You'd be surprised how many players don't recognize this interaction, though. I wouldn't assume someone is an idiot if they miss it the first time.

Ya, well I wouldn't assume your opponent will let it reanimate itself by timing their counterspell wrong.

So when you say things like:

Quote from Edward Mass »

he blanks most traditional forms of counter-magic

...it simply isn't true. Don't assume your opponent will misplay and evaluate cards based on them making the wrong decisions.

If a card only works the first time you play it, then that's not an argument for it being good...

Quote from simpygdog

I understand playing a worse thundermaw hellkite, but how is demigod of revenge ever better then hellkite? other then doomblade missing it.

Anytime you're playing mono-black or a BR deck that only has one red source in play. Also, fighting Doom Blade, Ultimate Price, Shriekmaw, Boneshredder, and, Nekretaal has certainly come up. It's not enough positives to have me say it's better than Hellkite, as it's not, but it's certainly been good enough in my experience cubing and gets a bad wrap because it's "better in constructed".

I imagine Demigod would trigger with Body Double, too (much as I don't think I'd be wanting to play one of the Avatars in a three-colour deck)...

Quote from CadaverousBl00m

I imagine Demigod would trigger with Body Double, too (much as I don't think I'd be wanting to play one of the Avatars in a three-colour deck)...

Demigod triggers when cast, so no existing clone effect can copy it. You'd have to "cast a copy of a creature card in the graveyard", which doesn't happen for good reasons -- you are basically making a token, so any card doing this would either make a token or make itself a copy, ala Body Double.

Quote from Darkmindtone »

gets a bad wrap because it's "better in constructed".

I don't care about how it was in constructed. I don't like it for the cube because the casting cost is horrendous.

One of the biggest advantages of playing a mono-color deck is the ability to capitalize on amazing colorless lands and colorless artifact mana producers with no significant drawback. There isn't a single playable 5-drop in the cube that I'd cut to play one of these CCCCC monsters. And they're certainly not good enough to exclude good colorless lands/mana producers just to run them. They're not even close to good enough to justify that cost.

I honestly wouldn't mind running CCCCC hybird creature, but they'll have to be much stronger than this. For one, they will have to be able to pass vindicate test (Baneslayer Angel and Hydra got a pass on this because they cost 3CC, and are wicked after 1 swing to boot). Also, they better have power level comparable to 7-8 drop. 6 could work, but those 6 would mean Titan/Wurmcoil level.

This cycle just isn't powerful enough for cube. And this is coming from a guy who buy 4x of all of these for his casual deck because they are really cool creature.

Fair enough.

I think, ultimately, this cycle shows the limits of the design team. Clearly some cards came out better than others, which is why the more objective players here--myself included--have trouble dismissing the whole lot out of hand.

Oh well. Maybe I'll just build a Chroma cube for them.