The Eldest Reborn
4B
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker.
II — Each opponent discards a card.
III — Put target creature or planeswalker card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Too slow, not powerful enough. Custodi Lich / Liliana, DM already do everything this card wants to do. Worth considering for multiplayer focused cubes.
With these cards, you really have to ask yourself 'does it feel really bad to get this naturalized the turn it comes in?', and I think this is another where that would suck. Sure, they are getting my naturalize in that instance, but I still don't feel like I lost out in that exchange.
Yeah, I think planeswalkers just fill the role of this better, particularly Liliana, Death’s Majesty. For example:
1. If you’re not under pressure, Liliana takes over the game in a way this doesn’t.
2. If you’re under pressure and have a reanimation target, you probably want to get that target right away before the game gets out of reach.
3. If you’re under pressure and don’t have a reanimation target, this is probably going to be way too slow to save you.
The Eldest Reborn has shown up in a lot of cubes in both cubetutor and cubecobra, with high pick rates (18.5% and 1527 elo) in both.
One of the aspects that may be overlooked is that enchantments are generally the hardest permanent type to remove which means when you cast it you're probably going to get all acts, and I think Eldest Reborn stacks evenly with Elspeth Conquers Death which has also been making waves.
I have not tried this yet, but I like it less than Elspeth Conquers Death even though this card provides more value. The problem is that 5 mana sac a creature or walker is terrible compared to “exile their best thing.” The planeswalker part is often a liability at this stage of the game in Cube. Custodi Lich seems much better than this card because monarch is busted, but it’s on the fence for us because the sac ability is not great at the 5+ mana point in the game.
Card as been good for me. I decided to try it on a whim because it did so well in draft. Overperformed most times it was played as it does everything a grindy deck wants to do. A sultai deck that 'uses the whole buffalo' often comes out of drafts of my cube (Emrakul, Gory, good removal, a few counters a few walkers, reanimation for value instead of combo etc.)
That said the proactive black decks don;t want it, as it is quite slow. Feels really nice out early with Dark ritual etc, but what doesn't?
Card as been good for me. I decided to try it on a whim because it did so well in draft. Overperformed most times it was played as it does everything a grindy deck wants to do. A sultai deck that 'uses the whole buffalo' often comes out of drafts of my cube (Emrakul, Gory, good removal, a few counters a few walkers, reanimation for value instead of combo etc.)
That said the proactive black decks don;t want it, as it is quite slow. Feels really nice out early with Dark ritual etc, but what doesn't?
Interesting... This makes me want to try it. Right now my easiest cuts are in black, and it does not seem that difficult to find a slot for this.
4B
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker.
II — Each opponent discards a card.
III — Put target creature or planeswalker card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Slow. Powerful.
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1. If you’re not under pressure, Liliana takes over the game in a way this doesn’t.
2. If you’re under pressure and have a reanimation target, you probably want to get that target right away before the game gets out of reach.
3. If you’re under pressure and don’t have a reanimation target, this is probably going to be way too slow to save you.
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The Eldest Reborn has shown up in a lot of cubes in both cubetutor and cubecobra, with high pick rates (18.5% and 1527 elo) in both.
One of the aspects that may be overlooked is that enchantments are generally the hardest permanent type to remove which means when you cast it you're probably going to get all acts, and I think Eldest Reborn stacks evenly with Elspeth Conquers Death which has also been making waves.
360 card powered Chicago cube:
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/e7r
2020 Numerical Power Rankings:
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-card-and-archetype/817969-2020-numerical-cube-power-rankings
2018 CubeTutor Power Rankings:
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-card-and-archetype/803301-cubetutor-power-rankings-2018-by-color-and-cmc
That said the proactive black decks don;t want it, as it is quite slow. Feels really nice out early with Dark ritual etc, but what doesn't?
Interesting... This makes me want to try it. Right now my easiest cuts are in black, and it does not seem that difficult to find a slot for this.