I know the meld cards previously got a thread, but now that collation is officially a part of draft MtG it's probably worth discussing again in cube.
Is there any reason *not* to collate the new Partner With planeswalkers? Pack collation or "you get it for free if you draft the other?" To me, the latter is easier. As noted in the thread, the blue planeswalker is solid, but this discussion will almost surely end up spanning multiple cards as they're claiming to be printing on a power level that will effect Legacy.
Where's the "None of the Above" option? Just like with Meld, if there's two partners you'd like, you gotta hope they're both in the pool you're drafting from and that you get very lucky. Even with a 720 cube, it happens plenty often enough to be fun, and rare enough that it feels super special.
If the card is good enough, add it in and deal with the fact that it has irrelevant text on it. I don't care that Daretti, Scrap Savant can be my commander, or that Hanweir Garrison has meld and I don't care that Will Kinrith has partner either. It'll float around in the cube on his own, and it won't cause any harm other than being unsightly. I might get an altered version that covers up his irrelevant text if he turns out to be great in cube. But I'm not going to modify my draft process or give free cards away just because this card has an irrelevant ability.
I'm not going to modify my draft process or give free cards away just because this card has an irrelevant ability.
With Daretti, that's flavor text pretty much no matter what outside of commander cubes. With meld, that was the same position WotC took. What's different this time is that in sanctioned draft, it's always collated. So, it's a house rule NOT to collate them, and I know how much you hate house rules.
With Daretti, that's flavor text pretty much no matter what outside of commander cubes. With meld, that was the same position WotC took. What's different this time is that in sanctioned draft, it's always collated. So, it's a house rule NOT to collate them, and I know how much you hate house rules.
I think this is making it incredibly more complicated than it needs to be. Just evaluate each card at face value and test or include based on that. There's no need to take a position of having a house rule to not make sure the two are drafted together. Each card is it's own card as far as our format is concerned. It doesn't matter WotC's intentions in format that card specifically came from.
So when you draft Will out of a booster pack, you get both cards into your pool? I don't think it works that way.
And since the rest of the cube draft event doesn't work that way, I'd have to modify the cube draft process to make it work. Which isn't worth it, IMO. Wizards may have intended Battlebond Limited to work that way, but cube draft doesn't work that way. Wizards seeded Dominaria packs with a guaranteed legend in every pack. That was how they intended retail limited Dominaria to be drafted. Not every format that contains Dominaria cards.
Edit:
Quote from Wizards »
First of all, in something brand new to Magic, if you open up one you will always open the other one in the same pack. They come together. There are eleven pairs in the set, all at uncommon or higher, and when one shows up they take the place of an uncommon—meaning that you will end up with plenty of double-rare packs in Battlebond!
In Two-Headed Giant Draft, you and your teammate pick two cards at a time, so you can always take the partners together.
The only way you're guaranteed to get both partner cards into your (shared) pool is in 2HG draft. Since I'm doing a cube draft and not a 2HG draft, I'd have to modify the draft structure to make it work so that the drafter always gets both cards. I'd rather not modify the cube draft process to make it work like 2HG.
I hope that you guys enjoy playing with partner cards and utilizing whichever method you find works best for maintaining their original flavor/spirit/2HG functionality. I just prefer not to change the way that I build packs or draft cube just to make a keyword work the way it does in another format.
I know the meld cards previously got a thread, but now that collation is officially a part of draft MtG it's probably worth discussing again in cube.
Is there any reason *not* to collate the new Partner With planeswalkers? Pack collation or "you get it for free if you draft the other?" To me, the latter is easier. As noted in the thread, the blue planeswalker is solid, but this discussion will almost surely end up spanning multiple cards as they're claiming to be printing on a power level that will effect Legacy.
It's your cube and you can do what you want, for sure. If you had a rule where you get Willy's sibling for free when you draft willy boy, then that would obviously be better than not getting the card for free. I can't think of any real problems with it mechanically as long as everyone you draft with understands this concept.
As others have said, I personally have no interest in adding this to my cube with that attached as it's way different than how I've done it with every other card. Beyond changing and making sure my drafters know what's up, I have an online list where this would never work so I'm OK with trying Willy on his own. But if it works for you it works for you. You don't need our approval, you know?
Is there any reason *not* to collate the new Partner With planeswalkers? Pack collation or "you get it for free if you draft the other?" To me, the latter is easier. As noted in the thread, the blue planeswalker is solid, but this discussion will almost surely end up spanning multiple cards as they're claiming to be printing on a power level that will effect Legacy.
https://www.cubecobra.com/cube/list/p420
My 630 Card Powered Cube
My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy"
My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
With Daretti, that's flavor text pretty much no matter what outside of commander cubes. With meld, that was the same position WotC took. What's different this time is that in sanctioned draft, it's always collated. So, it's a house rule NOT to collate them, and I know how much you hate house rules.
https://www.cubecobra.com/cube/list/p420
I think this is making it incredibly more complicated than it needs to be. Just evaluate each card at face value and test or include based on that. There's no need to take a position of having a house rule to not make sure the two are drafted together. Each card is it's own card as far as our format is concerned. It doesn't matter WotC's intentions in format that card specifically came from.
MTGS Average Peasant Cube 2023 Edition
Follow me. I tweet.
And that's the definition of a house rule: doing what you want when WotC does something different.
https://www.cubecobra.com/cube/list/p420
And since the rest of the cube draft event doesn't work that way, I'd have to modify the cube draft process to make it work. Which isn't worth it, IMO. Wizards may have intended Battlebond Limited to work that way, but cube draft doesn't work that way. Wizards seeded Dominaria packs with a guaranteed legend in every pack. That was how they intended retail limited Dominaria to be drafted. Not every format that contains Dominaria cards.
Edit:
The only way you're guaranteed to get both partner cards into your (shared) pool is in 2HG draft. Since I'm doing a cube draft and not a 2HG draft, I'd have to modify the draft structure to make it work so that the drafter always gets both cards. I'd rather not modify the cube draft process to make it work like 2HG.
I hope that you guys enjoy playing with partner cards and utilizing whichever method you find works best for maintaining their original flavor/spirit/2HG functionality. I just prefer not to change the way that I build packs or draft cube just to make a keyword work the way it does in another format.
Cheers, and happy cubing.
My 630 Card Powered Cube
My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy"
My Article - "Mana Short: A study in limited resource management."
My 50th Set (P)review - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from OTJ!
It's your cube and you can do what you want, for sure. If you had a rule where you get Willy's sibling for free when you draft willy boy, then that would obviously be better than not getting the card for free. I can't think of any real problems with it mechanically as long as everyone you draft with understands this concept.
As others have said, I personally have no interest in adding this to my cube with that attached as it's way different than how I've done it with every other card. Beyond changing and making sure my drafters know what's up, I have an online list where this would never work so I'm OK with trying Willy on his own. But if it works for you it works for you. You don't need our approval, you know?
Also, follow us on twitter! @TurnOneMagic