Thanks for the update Rantipole - I've recently been using your cube as a starting point for mine and it has been a hit with my playgroup.
That's really nice to hear! Thank you. Glad your group is enjoying it. Due to real life, I've played my cube very little the past 18 months. I've made a lot of my recent changes based on theory and reports from other cubists. If you have any good feedback from actual gameplay, I'd love to hear it.
Yeah, unfortunately we don't get together as often as I would like but everyone is having fun. There are quite a few people who are completely new to cube and have only started recently so there is a lot of card reading, but I figured I might as well throw them all in the deep end
One of the things that I am loving at the moment is people seeing interactions between cards for the first time and getting blown out (we played yesterday and no one in the group had seen an Opposition deck before I put one together), getting annoyed but then wanting to try the strategy for themselves after seeing how it works (and also how just because it's good it isn't unbeatable).
That's great! In the early days of my cube, had a lot of experience with cards going much later than they should. The best way to deal with that is to draft those cards and beat the snot of your group with them. It's been a long time since I've been passed Tangle Wire.
Drana is great for aggro, but aggro doesn't need much help anymore. Black needs some cards that shore up its lifeloss. Nighthawk does that and fits in any black deck except hard aggro. I think it's now more needed than Drana. Reanimator needs all those spells to ensure that it gets enough. Also, I'm usually drafting with 6 players, so I need redundancies. Strike Leader could be a cut, but we'll run like this for now.
Sin Prodder didn't get much of a chance in my cube but I like it less than all the cards you suggest cutting.
I haven't been able to get a Kalitas, but he's in as soon as I get one. The other cards all look good, but there is nothing I'd cut for them right now. Whirler Rogue and the Declaration are the most likely to come in.
Cuts definitely are rough. But before you know it, it'll be spoiler season again.
Any feedback on Custodi Lich? I'm planning on adding it shortly for testing as well. It might be borderline at 360, but I think it'll be an interesting twist on an EtB removal creature.
I don't have much feedback on the Lich. I cube very rarely these days, due to real life commitments. I expect it will be solid, but I don't think I'd be interested in it if I went down to 360.
My Kaladesh changes are below. Obviously, I'll run the new Chandra when I can get a copy.
The Paradise cut might seem surprising, but that was the cut my group was most in favor of. The colorless section is really tough to make cuts in. I'm starting to consider making cuts to other sections to expand the colorless cards. Maybe I'll go down to just the three best tricolors or maybe I'll cut one slot from each of the five colors.
I like this change as well. I don't know how long Grenzo wlll stay in my list, even at 540. He's a solid dude for aggro, but I don't care for the double red and honestly, I get tired of telling people what goad is. I kind of hate that he has so much rules text that they didn't have room for reminder text.
Hello, I'm currently making my first powered cube. I've been playing your list on cockatrice and I've really enjoyed it. Are there any tips or relevant information about your cube that I should know before I actually obtain a real list? Since I'm rather unfamiliar with powered cubes I have to ask, do you think there are any popular key cards that your list is missing? I've compared your list to the 450 average cube on cubetutor, but because of my inexperience with the format, I'm not sure what I'm suppose to be looking for. Also, why no Tooth and Nail or Birthing Pods? Those cards look fun.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoy my cube.
First off, you should realize that even I don't have this whole list. The Power, Library, Moat, and Drain are proxies. I just can't afford those cards and don't know if I ever will. If I had the disposable cash, I'd probably spend it on diving or a new snake.
The two cards I'd love to have in my list which I don't are Imperial Seal and Gaea's Cradle. My proxy making buddy is going to make me a Seal. I used to have a Cradle but a few years back there was a wave where everyone was pulling it from their cubes. I did so and foolishly sold it. So I am currently Cradle-less. I can't decide if it's better to have my friend make a proxy or to run a gold-bordered Cradle. I'm also thinking of selling off other cards to re-buy Cradle (at something like double what I sold mine for. Grr!). So those are the two cards I'd add to this list if I had a chance. Not sure what the cuts would be, but probably something like Nighthawk or Lily, Heretical Healer and Duskwatch Recruiter.
I didn't like Pod in cube. It was too hard to build around for the rewards it offered. It's slow and clunky most of the time. Tooth & Nail is great and is on the bubble of reinclusion. Right now I think I have enough other ways to cheat out fatties, so I'm not sure it's needed. I'm also thinking of trying Selvala's Stampede. I do support aggro in green, so if you wanted to focus on ramp and cheating, you could cut some aggro support and bring in Pod, T&N, Stampede and some more rampy cards.
I've never been a fan of squee, but assuming that's not on the table I would cut Defiance or Ingot Chewer. Cutting Collective Defiance would assure that you only have one defiant card in your cube at a time.
I assume you need Ingot Chewer for some quota of artifact spells? That is the only reason I would include it at 450. I would cut it before I cut Defiance. Defiance has been really solid so far.
Thanks for the suggestions. I decided to copy your cube and I swapped duskwatch recruiter for tooth and nail since I love tooth and nail. I do want to introduce a gaea's cradle. What swap would you recommend for it besides the duskwatch?
Thanks Salmo and cuttups. I'll try the cube without Chewer and see how it goes.
Thunderwang: If you've already dropped Recruiter, maybe you can live without Wild Mongrel. Just watch to make sure that your players aren't struggling to get discard outlets. You might be able to cut Jungle Lion if Xg aggro decks aren't popular with your group. I'm not wild about Oath of Nissa but others on this site are, so I could be wrong.
I wanted to bring back Tooth and Nail. Its showing in the recent Top 20 votes made me think I should give it another chance. I had to cut something and Recruiter seemed less needed than anything else in green.
Faerie Conclave should not have been cut in the first place. It's a great manland. Imprisoned is redundant and weaker than my other O-Ring effects. If it was just a blue Song of the Dryads, it would stay.
That's really nice to hear! Thank you. Glad your group is enjoying it. Due to real life, I've played my cube very little the past 18 months. I've made a lot of my recent changes based on theory and reports from other cubists. If you have any good feedback from actual gameplay, I'd love to hear it.
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One of the things that I am loving at the moment is people seeing interactions between cards for the first time and getting blown out (we played yesterday and no one in the group had seen an Opposition deck before I put one together), getting annoyed but then wanting to try the strategy for themselves after seeing how it works (and also how just because it's good it isn't unbeatable).
I need to find a colorless cut for Hangarback Walker. Right now, I'm considering cutting one of the following but I'm open to other suggestions: Ancient Tomb, Captain's Claws, Erratic Portal, Undiscovered Paradise. I might also consider cutting Scuttling Doom Engine, as I seem to be running the same number of Tinker targets as wtwlf and he has 90 more cards than I do.
Other recent changes:
Additions:
Recruiter of the Guard
Custodi Lich
Chandra, Flamecaller
Regal Behemoth
Hellkite Overlord
Cuts:
Savannah Lions
Vampire Lacerator
Magus of the Wheel
Scythe Leopard
Brutal Hordechief
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Changes:
- Scuttling Doom Engine
+ Hangarback Walker
- Dreadbore
+ Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
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Drana is great for aggro, but aggro doesn't need much help anymore. Black needs some cards that shore up its lifeloss. Nighthawk does that and fits in any black deck except hard aggro. I think it's now more needed than Drana. Reanimator needs all those spells to ensure that it gets enough. Also, I'm usually drafting with 6 players, so I need redundancies. Strike Leader could be a cut, but we'll run like this for now.
Sin Prodder didn't get much of a chance in my cube but I like it less than all the cards you suggest cutting.
I haven't been able to get a Kalitas, but he's in as soon as I get one. The other cards all look good, but there is nothing I'd cut for them right now. Whirler Rogue and the Declaration are the most likely to come in.
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+ Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
- Mardu Strike Leader
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- War-Name Aspirant
+ Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
- Siege Rhino
+ Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
- Powder Keg
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For sure. I'm glad Kaladesh was kinda meh for a 450 cube. The cuts are like agony now.
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Any feedback on Custodi Lich? I'm planning on adding it shortly for testing as well. It might be borderline at 360, but I think it'll be an interesting twist on an EtB removal creature.
My Kaladesh changes are below. Obviously, I'll run the new Chandra when I can get a copy.
+ Angel of Invention
- Cloudgoat Ranger
+ Scrapheap Scrounger
- Nezumi Graverobber
+ Fleetwheel Cruiser
+ Smuggler's Copter
- Captain's Claws
- Undiscovered Paradise
The Paradise cut might seem surprising, but that was the cut my group was most in favor of. The colorless section is really tough to make cuts in. I'm starting to consider making cuts to other sections to expand the colorless cards. Maybe I'll go down to just the three best tricolors or maybe I'll cut one slot from each of the five colors.
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+ Abbot of Keral Keep
- Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
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Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoy my cube.
First off, you should realize that even I don't have this whole list. The Power, Library, Moat, and Drain are proxies. I just can't afford those cards and don't know if I ever will. If I had the disposable cash, I'd probably spend it on diving or a new snake.
The two cards I'd love to have in my list which I don't are Imperial Seal and Gaea's Cradle. My proxy making buddy is going to make me a Seal. I used to have a Cradle but a few years back there was a wave where everyone was pulling it from their cubes. I did so and foolishly sold it. So I am currently Cradle-less. I can't decide if it's better to have my friend make a proxy or to run a gold-bordered Cradle. I'm also thinking of selling off other cards to re-buy Cradle (at something like double what I sold mine for. Grr!). So those are the two cards I'd add to this list if I had a chance. Not sure what the cuts would be, but probably something like Nighthawk or Lily, Heretical Healer and Duskwatch Recruiter.
I didn't like Pod in cube. It was too hard to build around for the rewards it offered. It's slow and clunky most of the time. Tooth & Nail is great and is on the bubble of reinclusion. Right now I think I have enough other ways to cheat out fatties, so I'm not sure it's needed. I'm also thinking of trying Selvala's Stampede. I do support aggro in green, so if you wanted to focus on ramp and cheating, you could cut some aggro support and bring in Pod, T&N, Stampede and some more rampy cards.
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Thunderwang: If you've already dropped Recruiter, maybe you can live without Wild Mongrel. Just watch to make sure that your players aren't struggling to get discard outlets. You might be able to cut Jungle Lion if Xg aggro decks aren't popular with your group. I'm not wild about Oath of Nissa but others on this site are, so I could be wrong.
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Cuts:
Imprisoned in the Moon
Duskwatch Recruiter
Adds:
Faerie Conclave
Tooth and Nail
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And why the re inclusion of Faerie Conclave?
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Faerie Conclave should not have been cut in the first place. It's a great manland. Imprisoned is redundant and weaker than my other O-Ring effects. If it was just a blue Song of the Dryads, it would stay.
Thinking about bringing back Thirst for Knowledge. Thoughts? Suggested cuts?
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Cuts:
Dauthi Horror
Vampire Nighthawk
Abbot of Keral Keep
Oath of Nissa
Additions:
Drana, Liberator of Malakir
Imperial Seal
Imperial Recruiter
Gaea's Cradle
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