Boros gets an attacking dude in Boros Challenger. Plausible? I like the intereaction between pump and mentor, but it's a shame that it doesn't work out in a "threat of activation" manner. If you need to pump to get the mentor trigger, you need to do it in the Declare Attackers phase at latest.
White gets an Oblivion Ring with convoke: Conclave Tribunal, which I suppose isn't too far to go out of your way to reward go-wide or token themes.
Black gets Necrotic Wound a Death Wind variant that counts creatures in your graveyard. Probably OK as a card, but also probably outclassed by tons of cards unless you both want to depower your removal and push a graveyard/self-mill strategy.
I think the Boros Dude is closest? (Or probably the O-ring is closest, but that's not as exiting). I wonder how mentor will play out. Will it be like Renown, in that if you get started early it can just snowball? But if you don't get it going early you sit there with sub-par creatures and no good attacks and no way of getting your payoff?
(And for those who are considering breaking rarity for rare lands, I guess the shockland reprint might make it easier to take the leap).
Boros Challenger is closeish, but 4 mana for the pump is steep and it's weird on the curve. You generally want to start your 2 power one drops, but they can't be buffed by mentor. It just doesn't seem to have a case where it comes remotely close to taking over the game. Maybe testable, but I'm not excited.
Conclave Tribunal seems excellent. It doesn't take much effort to cut the cost to 2 just off of cards with multiple bodies, and going Lingering Souls + flashback into it is pretty disgusting.
i like boros challenger. i think this ability is definitely going to best on cheap cards, and 3 toughness on a 2 drop is good resilience. i think the pump ability will definitely be relevant to the card's performance, but it is a tad expensive even if it has two uses. i think it's cubeable at face value.
i'm uncertain about thought erasure though. colour intensive thoughtseize with a surveil? just not sure if it demands the guild slot really.
conclave tribunal is hard to get excited about. though we do have a plethora of options for this effect now.
Lets look at the mechanics since we don't know the exact cards yet.
Convoke: Cost reduction mechanics are always dangerously strong. But I am worried it can be too narrow. A lot of the old Convoke cards felt too weak or win more and the new convoke cards from the core set in particular Triplicate Spirits were stronger. Its both an enabler and a pay off for going wide and I prefer that in my convoke cards.
Mentor: This is interesting being a +1/+1 is really sweet you can abuse that in WR really nicely. It is a smaller effect than something like battle-cry but its more permanent. I like what I see I hope to see it on more single colour cards which have more of a chance of pushing their way in.
Surveil: A minor upside mechanic so you are going to want whatever the card is anyway to slot it into your deck.
Jump start: Its basically flashback, but I really like it in UR decks, the discard fuels delve, you can get advantage with flashback and itself also get use out of excess lands (flooding is a problem). But I am going to have to see the cards themselves
Undergrowth: Spider spawning decks are fun but you aren't going to want a lot of these cards unless... they fuel themselves either be creatures or have a self mill effect on them.
I kind of like Status // Statue. I run similar effects, but getting the flexibility on one card seems good. Sometimes you need the deathtouch, other times the straight up removal, and usually a card only offers one or the other.
I think Murmuring Mystic is fine. It's no Young Pyromancer, but I think it fits in most Dimir or Izzet control lists, since those tend to run a high number of instants. Maybe Azorius tokens too, but Azorius tends to be more permanent-based in my cube.
What do we think of the Arboretum Elemental? It's slightly smaller than Plated Crusher, but has higher power than Scaled Behemoth at the price of having less resilience and no trample. However, it can come down pretty early in the right deck. Nine mana is probably too much, though.
I like Murmuring Mystic.. its a really great blue wall with upside. I'd play him in UW flyiers, holds the ground gives you value when you cast spirit tokens... will have to decide on the cut though M19 gave me so many good blue cards so its getting tight.
I meant for first strike. Just a quick search of my cube yields about 70% of creatures have toughness 2 or less, making a 2/2 first strike win combat pretty often. On top of that, having Mentor makes it all around pretty nice. However it is unfortunate that Mentor looks for power specifically less than the creature with the keyword.
So after some more thought, i think this card is fantastic moderately good.
EDIT: Clarified that the reference to toughness was for first strike. Also, I just discovered you can delete comments.
Not very high on Arboretum Elemental. Requires convoking for 3 to get a Scaled Behemoth with a worse body. Normally I like more decisions, but it's too much below Behemoth.
I think Murmuring Mystic is good enough in slower shells, but I'm not sure if it's worth including solely for control shells.
Sunhome Stalwart seems decent. 4 of my 7 white one drops have 1 power and then you have spirit tokens as well. Like it more than Boros Challenger, as other colours have better mentor synergies than red.
Not sure if I like Murmuring Mystic at those stats/cost. The 5 toughness is real nice and all, but at 4 mana you may have already burned through some spells by the time you can put it down. Plus, immediately following it with a spell the same turn to ensure value will be harder. If you are heavy spells, your opponents removal likely have few targets too, so you might want to delay playing it until you have the mana to protect it, by which time you may have burned through even more of your spells.
Sunhome Stalwart is only the 2nd ever 2/2 first strike with upside for 1W so it doesn't have a lot of competition. The first was Knight of Grace but that has weird colour hosing rules.
I'd rate it as first in its class of 2drop first strike creatures (that don't cost CC).
While the body is fine in pretty much any white deck, I think it's best home is in token decks since turning 1/1's into 2/2's can be gas.
Ooh. I definitely like Goblin Cratermaker.
Incidental maindeckable artifact-destruction and inefficient creature-removal on a bear. That sounds like a good deal.
We have recent spoilers for Chemister's Insight, another interesting instant speed draw 2 with upside. It looks like a more controlling Deep Analysis, which is definitely worth considering. Not sure how it ranks next to other recent options like Glimmer of Genius or Hieroglyphic Illumination.
I will agree with the love for Goblin Cratermaker. Just another excellent two-drop red creature with utility, like an Abrade with legs.
I have been playing with Knight of Grace in my CUbe, and it has been very solid addition even without the color-hosing aspects involved. I will probably look for room to keep that and Sunhome Stalwart both, maybe replacing Seeker of the Way.
One card no one has mentioned which I am interesting in discussing is Hypothesizzle. It feels like a Izzet version of Ribbons of Night, which is one of my all-time favorite limited cards. I know that gaining 4 life is more important than the instant speed, but you also get a slightly better card draw effect as well. I might consider playing it over something like Bloodwater Entity, for example.
Hm. I like that Deep Analysis has a higher reward for durdling with your graveyard, but I have also felt that I should make one or two changes to help flash/go. I'll need to consider Chemister's Insight.
I actually really like Chemister's Insight. I feel that 4 mana draw 2 is almost there in power level (see: Hieroglyphic Illumination and Glimmer of Genius), but adding the ability to do it again at the cost of a card is pretty good. All that at instant speed, too!
What do we think of Nightveil Faerie and Molder Hulk? The Hulk especially feels okay to me, since it supports graveyard and aggro-ish strategies simultaneously.
Goblin Banneret and Goblin Cratermaker have me in love. It also seems like we are likely to get playable hybrids. For instance, Dimir had long been terrible in terms of their hybrids but already, I would at least consider playing the rogue with flash if I needed a Dimir Hybrid to balance colours.
Boros gets an attacking dude in Boros Challenger. Plausible? I like the intereaction between pump and mentor, but it's a shame that it doesn't work out in a "threat of activation" manner. If you need to pump to get the mentor trigger, you need to do it in the Declare Attackers phase at latest.
Dimir gets a cool thoughtseize variant: Thought Erasure
Sinister Sabotage is a strict upgrade to Dissolve on both power and interesting fronts.
White gets an Oblivion Ring with convoke: Conclave Tribunal, which I suppose isn't too far to go out of your way to reward go-wide or token themes.
Black gets Necrotic Wound a Death Wind variant that counts creatures in your graveyard. Probably OK as a card, but also probably outclassed by tons of cards unless you both want to depower your removal and push a graveyard/self-mill strategy.
I think the Boros Dude is closest? (Or probably the O-ring is closest, but that's not as exiting). I wonder how mentor will play out. Will it be like Renown, in that if you get started early it can just snowball? But if you don't get it going early you sit there with sub-par creatures and no good attacks and no way of getting your payoff?
(And for those who are considering breaking rarity for rare lands, I guess the shockland reprint might make it easier to take the leap).
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Conclave Tribunal seems excellent. It doesn't take much effort to cut the cost to 2 just off of cards with multiple bodies, and going Lingering Souls + flashback into it is pretty disgusting.
i'm uncertain about thought erasure though. colour intensive thoughtseize with a surveil? just not sure if it demands the guild slot really.
conclave tribunal is hard to get excited about. though we do have a plethora of options for this effect now.
Convoke: Cost reduction mechanics are always dangerously strong. But I am worried it can be too narrow. A lot of the old Convoke cards felt too weak or win more and the new convoke cards from the core set in particular Triplicate Spirits were stronger. Its both an enabler and a pay off for going wide and I prefer that in my convoke cards.
Mentor: This is interesting being a +1/+1 is really sweet you can abuse that in WR really nicely. It is a smaller effect than something like battle-cry but its more permanent. I like what I see I hope to see it on more single colour cards which have more of a chance of pushing their way in.
Surveil: A minor upside mechanic so you are going to want whatever the card is anyway to slot it into your deck.
Jump start: Its basically flashback, but I really like it in UR decks, the discard fuels delve, you can get advantage with flashback and itself also get use out of excess lands (flooding is a problem). But I am going to have to see the cards themselves
Undergrowth: Spider spawning decks are fun but you aren't going to want a lot of these cards unless... they fuel themselves either be creatures or have a self mill effect on them.
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R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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Status // Statue is also decent but boring.
EDIT: Maybe there's something to Murmuring Mystic?
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What do we think of the Arboretum Elemental? It's slightly smaller than Plated Crusher, but has higher power than Scaled Behemoth at the price of having less resilience and no trample. However, it can come down pretty early in the right deck. Nine mana is probably too much, though.
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GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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So after some more thought, i think this card is
fantasticmoderately good.EDIT: Clarified that the reference to toughness was for first strike. Also, I just discovered you can delete comments.
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Not very high on Arboretum Elemental. Requires convoking for 3 to get a Scaled Behemoth with a worse body. Normally I like more decisions, but it's too much below Behemoth.
I think Murmuring Mystic is good enough in slower shells, but I'm not sure if it's worth including solely for control shells.
Sunhome Stalwart seems decent. 4 of my 7 white one drops have 1 power and then you have spirit tokens as well. Like it more than Boros Challenger, as other colours have better mentor synergies than red.
Whisper Agent man I wish this had any kind of evasion :/
Sumala Woodshaper I wish this was creature or land or it was bigger.
These two are just commons we might get a bigger push in power form the uncommons, mulicoloured cards really need it to break in.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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Not sure if I like Murmuring Mystic at those stats/cost. The 5 toughness is real nice and all, but at 4 mana you may have already burned through some spells by the time you can put it down. Plus, immediately following it with a spell the same turn to ensure value will be harder. If you are heavy spells, your opponents removal likely have few targets too, so you might want to delay playing it until you have the mana to protect it, by which time you may have burned through even more of your spells.
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I'd rate it as first in its class of 2drop first strike creatures (that don't cost CC).
While the body is fine in pretty much any white deck, I think it's best home is in token decks since turning 1/1's into 2/2's can be gas.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
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Incidental maindeckable artifact-destruction and inefficient creature-removal on a bear. That sounds like a good deal.
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I will agree with the love for Goblin Cratermaker. Just another excellent two-drop red creature with utility, like an Abrade with legs.
I have been playing with Knight of Grace in my CUbe, and it has been very solid addition even without the color-hosing aspects involved. I will probably look for room to keep that and Sunhome Stalwart both, maybe replacing Seeker of the Way.
One card no one has mentioned which I am interesting in discussing is Hypothesizzle. It feels like a Izzet version of Ribbons of Night, which is one of my all-time favorite limited cards. I know that gaining 4 life is more important than the instant speed, but you also get a slightly better card draw effect as well. I might consider playing it over something like Bloodwater Entity, for example.
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What do we think of Nightveil Faerie and Molder Hulk? The Hulk especially feels okay to me, since it supports graveyard and aggro-ish strategies simultaneously.
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