First and foremost: I have not played "Vintage" in over 10 years, since the days of Abyss-Proof Gun Zoo, forcing people to maindeck Goblin Trenches at Neutral Ground NYC. That being said, I would like to slowly lurch my way back into the truest Eternal Format. I have been playing EDH for a year or so, since coming back into the game, and have amassed quite a few decent cards in the process. No moxen, but with my LGS allowing 15 proxies, I'm sure I can get all the "cheap" cards I need and simply proxy the few that must be proxied for now.
Now, when I got a playset of Lilianas and Dark Confidants, I thought I might be able to brew some rogue aggro mono-b control build. Now, it seems that once again every deck out there is blue or artifact based, and I'm not sure how Bobs would work in this. So I'm shifting gears to control based strategies, as opposed to aggro.
Here's what I'm thinking:
Thoughts:
How does Chains of Mephistopheles work in Vintage? I know people use Skullclamp with Ravagers and such, but other than that, does Chains stop anything?
Is Infernal Tutor good in a deck where I have no card drawing (Other than Bob)?
Is Sensei's Divining Top worth it in a deck where I have no card drawing (Other than Bob)?
How do I defend against Storm: I don't know. No, really, I don't know.
How do I defend against Oath: No creatures in play.
How do I defend against Fish: I thought of this as I tried to brew.
How do I defend against Dredge: Board in Leyline, aggressive mulligan?
How do I defend against Tezzeret/MUD: Board in Null Rod & Abrupt Decay.
How do I defend against Show: I also thought of this as I tried to brew.
How do I defend against Blood Moon: Abrupt Decay.
Any thoughts are welcome. I seriously need to think of something if I am to try to get into Vintage again.
Edit: My other thoughts were to try a different deck completely with Bobs, Obliterators, Lilianas as backup, basically just mono-b aggro beats? I'm torn, as I don't know the metagame anymore and I don't want to just crash and burn.
Since you're running green, you could run Life from the Loam to enable a strip/waste lock. I'd ditch the Mana Crypt, your games will tend to be grindy and it will probably make you lose more than you want. I'd also probably ditch Necro, since you don't need the huge burst of card advantage, you need a steady stream of it. I think you need some Rituals too, since to beat combo you need a fast start with a lot of discard. Rituals or Mox Diamond will help you do this. I also suggest you consider a faster win condition. Being able to win quickly is a big help in Vintage. Dark Depths/Thespian Stage with some Crop Rotations might not be a bad idea.
Now, when I got a playset of Lilianas and Dark Confidants, I thought I might be able to brew some rogue aggro mono-b control build. Now, it seems that once again every deck out there is blue or artifact based, and I'm not sure how Bobs would work in this. So I'm shifting gears to control based strategies, as opposed to aggro.
Here's what I'm thinking:
Thoughts:
How does Chains of Mephistopheles work in Vintage? I know people use Skullclamp with Ravagers and such, but other than that, does Chains stop anything?
Is Infernal Tutor good in a deck where I have no card drawing (Other than Bob)?
Is Sensei's Divining Top worth it in a deck where I have no card drawing (Other than Bob)?
New proposed decklist:
4 Dark Ritual
1 Vampiric Tutor
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Smallpox
2 Pox
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Dark Confidant
1 Nether Spirit
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Forest
1 Swamp
4 Bayou
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
3 Pithing Needle
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Null Rod
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Nether Void
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
2 Pox
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Gravecrawler
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Sol Ring
1 Trinisphere
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Bayou
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Mutavault
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
2 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2 Pithing Needle (thinking this should be higher)
3 Abrupt Decay (thinking this should be higher)
4 Null Rod
4 Leyline of the Void
2 The Abyss
How do I defend against Storm: I don't know. No, really, I don't know.
How do I defend against Oath: No creatures in play.
How do I defend against Fish: I thought of this as I tried to brew.
How do I defend against Dredge: Board in Leyline, aggressive mulligan?
How do I defend against Tezzeret/MUD: Board in Null Rod & Abrupt Decay.
How do I defend against Show: I also thought of this as I tried to brew.
How do I defend against Blood Moon: Abrupt Decay.
Any thoughts are welcome. I seriously need to think of something if I am to try to get into Vintage again.
Edit: My other thoughts were to try a different deck completely with Bobs, Obliterators, Lilianas as backup, basically just mono-b aggro beats? I'm torn, as I don't know the metagame anymore and I don't want to just crash and burn.