This thread is to be used as a reference tool before posting anything concerning Avacyn Restored in the rumor mill, and also to keep track of the progression of information on the set thus far. The first post will be kept updated until it’s time for the partial spoiler to take over.
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Set Name:Avacyn Restored Block: Set 3 of 3 in the Innistrad block Three-Letter Abbreviation: AVR Twitter Hashtag: #MTGAVR Number of Cards: 244 Rarity Distribution: Unknown Release Date: May 4, 2012 Prerelease Events: April 28-29, 2012 Launch Weekend: May 4-6, 2012 Magic Online Release Date: Unknown Game Day: May 25-26, 2012 Start Previews on Daily MTG: April 9, 2012
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A large set of 244 cards.
Prerelease will be 6x boosters.
Triple-drafted by itself
It continues the setting of Innistrad and Dark Ascension
It is a very different set if compared to the rest of the block. The feeling is going to shift dramatically.
The Helvault is opened. Avacyn and the demons are released
Not Graveyard based
No Double-Faced Cards, no Transform
No Flashback
There are some mechanical connections to allow players to add some cards to decks they’ve already built from earlier in the block (for example Zombies).
There are two planeswalkers in the set
Avacyn and Griselbrand are legendary creatures
Wolfir are repentant werewolves, transformed by by Avacyn who fused their two warring aspects into a single noble creature.
Returning keyword: Undying
New keyword: Miracle [cost]: You may cast this card for its miracle cost if it's the first card you drew this turn. Only instants and sorceries.
New mechanic: Soulbond (When a creature with soulbond enters the battlefield, you may pair it with another unpaired creature you control. When another creature enters the battlefield under your control, if you control a creature with soulbond that isn't currently paired, you may pair it with the new creature. Abilities—usually abilities on the creature with soulbond—will refer to paired creatures. They remain paired for as long as you control both of them.)
A number of creatures in the set, nicknamed loners, get better when they're the only creature you control.
Flickering is a nickname for exiling something, then returning it to the battlefield.
Here's to the hope that there are actually some uncommon and rare Angels that aren't overly expensive to cast. We know how just having the word "Angel" added 1 or more to their CC (at least until Baneslayer and a few others came out in recent years). Lets hope their CCs are fairly costed like the variety of Birds. With the large size of the subset, there could be an army of new Angels.
Always been an Angel collector. This looks to be my block.
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Looking forward to picking up a few more angels at some point for my wife's EDH deck, but it doesn't look like I'll be making the prerelease this time around. :/
Are the comics related to the storyline of the card game? I just read the second comic and Dack, the planeswalker we seen previously, ends up up in Innistrad with a weapon that could help turn the tide. Wondering if that basically points to Dack as our new planeswalker. There was also the fish planeswalker, that appeared in the poster, which this set doesn't seem like it would fit her.
Are the comics related to the storyline of the card game? I just read the second comic and Dack, the planeswalker we seen previously, ends up up in Innistrad with a weapon that could help turn the tide. Wondering if that basically points to Dack as our new planeswalker. There was also the fish planeswalker, that appeared in the poster, which this set doesn't seem like it would fit her.
Mark Rosewater (via tumblr) has confirmed that none of the planeswalker cards in AVR are known characters. Therefore, Dack cannot be one of them, as he is a known character.
The comics take place in the same setting as the current block but there's been no indication at all that their plot or characters will connect to the "main" storyline of the block.
Dack wasn't known at the time of design, and isn't in the actual card game, so I'd argue that it is very possible.
The statement is in the present tense, not past. And Dack and the comic series have been promoted quite a bit on the DailyMTG site so saying he's not a known character just because he doesn't have a card simply isn't true. And he's appeared on card art and flavor text on the promos that come with the comics, so he *has* been in the card game in that way. Hell, the fact that we know anything at all about him means that he's known. Because that's what "known" means.
If Dack is in AVR then the statement "The planeswalker(s) in Avacyn Restored is/are not previously known" (which is the quote verbatim) is factually incorrect. Mark's made statements and hints that skirt around the truth before, but not ones that outright contradict it.
So when Rosewater says there will be "between 1 and 3 planeswalkers" should we take it literally and assume there will be 2 or is he misusing the phrase like 99% of the population?
Hell, the fact that we know anything at all about him means that he's known. Because that's what "known" means.
"Known" could also mean that the PWs in AVR aren't new versions of "known" PWs like Liliana Vess, Garruk, Jace, et al. We're not going to see known PW Jace in a new card version. We aren't going to see another Chandra. They are already "known."
Since Dack plays so prominently in the comics and Innistrad, I think it is safe to say he will be printed as a card in the set.
Arguing that Dack Fayden isn't a "known" planeswalker seems incredibly ridiculous to me. Seriously. He's been highly promoted, appeared on promo cards, and is the star of the only MTG fiction still in production. Arguing that none of that makes him qualified as "known" seems to be just twisting logic around to get to the conclusion that you want. These arguments hinge on the word "known" being used with an extremely specific non-standard definition that flies in the face of the common-sense interpretation of plain English language. That is not a strong case.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
Exactly! You're just changing the meaning of the word "known" to something else to fit your theory.
People seem to have this impression that Rosewater is constantly making misleading statements or conveying hidden information, but how often has that actually been the case? How many times has Mark made a public statement about something happening in the future that was deliberately misleading? The only time I can think of is the situation with the number of cards in Time Spiral, to keep the Timeshifted sheet a secret before the set was released. If there have been other times than that, please mention them. Regardless, Mark's "track record" when it comes to whether or not you can take these kind of comments at face value or not is overwhelming in favor of the obvious, plain-language interpretation. Especially when there isn't anything for him or Wizards to gain by being misleading; keeping the Timeshifted sheet a secret makes sense, but deliberately misleading people about whether or not Dack is in AVR doesn't have much benefit, if any. It's not like people aren't already wildly speculating on that. Saying something that seems to say "no he's not" and later showing that "yes he is" doesn't do anything positive; it's trickery for the sake of trickery. If Dack really is in AVR he would have phrased that answer differently or not answered it at all. He gains nothing by doing what you're speculating he's doing.
I just think the concept of a "known planeswalker" is a little nebulous, and trying to use the dictionary to tack any one specific meaning to it while shunning all others is a little presumptuous.
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Set Name: Avacyn Restored
Block: Set 3 of 3 in the Innistrad block
Three-Letter Abbreviation: AVR
Twitter Hashtag: #MTGAVR
Number of Cards: 244
Rarity Distribution: Unknown
Release Date: May 4, 2012
Prerelease Events: April 28-29, 2012
Launch Weekend: May 4-6, 2012
Magic Online Release Date: Unknown
Game Day: May 25-26, 2012
Start Previews on Daily MTG: April 9, 2012
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Design Team:
- whole product
- Precons
- Event Decks
- Boosters
Intro packs
:symg::symw: "Angelic Might"-- displaying Herald of War, cost 3WW
:symu::symb: "Solitary Fiends" -- displaying Lone Revenant, cost 3UU
:symb::symr: "Slaughterhouse" -- displaying Harvester of Souls, cost 4BB
:symr::symw: "Fiery Dawn"-- displaying Zealous Conscripts, cost 4R
:symg::symu: "Bound by Strength"-- displaying Wolfir Silverheart, cost 3GG
Event decks: "Death's Encroach", :symw::symu: "Humanity's Vengeance"
Fat Pack:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Farcana%2F951
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Edit: Here's the tumblr: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/19724338631/you-said-that-there-will-be-between-one-and-three
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In all (non-perverted) seriousness, looking forward to it, hope the angels are actually good lol.
--- Meren of Clan Nel Toth --- Jhoira of the Ghitu --- Prime Speaker Zegana ---
--- Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief --- Ghoulcaller Gisa --- Akroma, Angel of Fury --- Titania, Protector of Argoth ---
Always been an Angel collector. This looks to be my block.
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EDH Decks:
B Toshiro Umezawa B
W Mikaeus, the Lunarch W
G Azusa, Lost but Seeking G
UB Grimgrin, Corpse-Born BU
BGU The Mimeoplasm UGB
GUW Rubinia Soulsinger WUG
GRB Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper BRG
Mark Rosewater (via tumblr) has confirmed that none of the planeswalker cards in AVR are known characters. Therefore, Dack cannot be one of them, as he is a known character.
The comics take place in the same setting as the current block but there's been no indication at all that their plot or characters will connect to the "main" storyline of the block.
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The statement is in the present tense, not past. And Dack and the comic series have been promoted quite a bit on the DailyMTG site so saying he's not a known character just because he doesn't have a card simply isn't true. And he's appeared on card art and flavor text on the promos that come with the comics, so he *has* been in the card game in that way. Hell, the fact that we know anything at all about him means that he's known. Because that's what "known" means.
If Dack is in AVR then the statement "The planeswalker(s) in Avacyn Restored is/are not previously known" (which is the quote verbatim) is factually incorrect. Mark's made statements and hints that skirt around the truth before, but not ones that outright contradict it.
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Says who? Knowing Rosewater he very well might have meant it that way.
"Known" could also mean that the PWs in AVR aren't new versions of "known" PWs like Liliana Vess, Garruk, Jace, et al. We're not going to see known PW Jace in a new card version. We aren't going to see another Chandra. They are already "known."
Since Dack plays so prominently in the comics and Innistrad, I think it is safe to say he will be printed as a card in the set.
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To me, Dack Fayden is no more "known" than Kiora Atua or Ral Zarek until he gets a card.
Right, but both Kiora and Ral are also known planeswalkers. You know who they are.
People seem to have this impression that Rosewater is constantly making misleading statements or conveying hidden information, but how often has that actually been the case? How many times has Mark made a public statement about something happening in the future that was deliberately misleading? The only time I can think of is the situation with the number of cards in Time Spiral, to keep the Timeshifted sheet a secret before the set was released. If there have been other times than that, please mention them. Regardless, Mark's "track record" when it comes to whether or not you can take these kind of comments at face value or not is overwhelming in favor of the obvious, plain-language interpretation. Especially when there isn't anything for him or Wizards to gain by being misleading; keeping the Timeshifted sheet a secret makes sense, but deliberately misleading people about whether or not Dack is in AVR doesn't have much benefit, if any. It's not like people aren't already wildly speculating on that. Saying something that seems to say "no he's not" and later showing that "yes he is" doesn't do anything positive; it's trickery for the sake of trickery. If Dack really is in AVR he would have phrased that answer differently or not answered it at all. He gains nothing by doing what you're speculating he's doing.
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I just think the concept of a "known planeswalker" is a little nebulous, and trying to use the dictionary to tack any one specific meaning to it while shunning all others is a little presumptuous.