Just watched the PAX panel, and I don't know if I heard correctly, but I swear Rosewater or Wil Wheaton said '...as the only remaining titan...' or words to that effect when they were introducing Ulamog. Did anyone else pick up on the same thing? If so, does that mean we won't be seeing Kozilek or Emrakul?
Also interesting side note I haven't mentioned elsewhere on these forums is the flavour text for that 8/9 common eldrazi is attributed to 'Kalitas, Thrall of Ulamog'. Maybe Kalitas will come back in this or the next set too.
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I heard that too and it was Mark Rosewater who said that. He was talking about the new Ulamog if I recall correctly. But if he's the only one on Zendikar, how do you justify the existence of Kozilek's Channeler?
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I heard that too and it was Mark Rosewater who said that. He was talking about the new Ulamog if I recall correctly. But if he's the only one on Zendikar, how do you justify the existence of Kozilek's Channeler?
The eldrazi were on zendikar itself for a time, their lineage cannot go back to the blind eternities so they have no choice but to grow or die, its clear they chose grow.
I also interpreted the flavor text of Kolizek's Channeler to imply that Kozilek may be munching its way down to Zendikar's core while Ulamog does his thing above ground.
I also interpreted the flavor text of Kolizek's Channeler to imply that Kozilek may be munching its way down to Zendikar's core while Ulamog does his thing above ground.
Either that, or the Channeler (along with other Kozilek's "leftovers") are beacons that alert Kozilek if Ulamog was defeated/going to be defeated.
I can see the Zendikar Alliance about to defeat Ulamog, only for Kozilek to appear to assist Ulamog, turning the tide completely around. Considering the Channeler (and the flavor text) already exists, it wouldn't be a random/sudden plot twist.
I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
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Well the option of the other titans (or just Kozilek) coming back to Zendikar when Ulamog is being defeated makes sense, as there has to be some kind of plot twist or important event to justify the second set of the block. Just stretching the plot ("Aaaaaand... we keep fighting Ulamog") for a second set can't happen.
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I hope that's what happens. I have the weirdest need for wizard's to pull a game of thrones on their cast of characters. Maybe because Elspeth died, and now Sorin's the only planeswalker I don't feel a strong dislike for. Well, Gideon's alright I guess, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if he died.
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Well the option of the other titans (or just Kozilek) coming back to Zendikar when Ulamog is being defeated makes sense, as there has to be some kind of plot twist or important event to justify the second set of the block. Just stretching the plot ("Aaaaaand... we keep fighting Ulamog") for a second set can't happen.
I'd actually love it if Ob is keeping the fact that Kozilek or whomever is chomping below the surface a secret, they lose plane is destroyed and Ob re-ascends giving us another villain.
I also interpreted the flavor text of Kolizek's Channeler to imply that Kozilek may be munching its way down to Zendikar's core while Ulamog does his thing above ground.
Yeah, same here. Not to mention there's no evidence that Kozilek and Emrakul actually left Zendikar, just that they haven't been seen on it. It could very well be that both of them are just chomping down on the yummy gooey center while Ulamog is content with the outer shell. It could be that Kozilek is still down there but Emrakul has left, leaving him to be the big bad in another set down the line after Ulamog and Kozilek are defeated in this block.
Having Emrakul or Kozilek attack other planes would expand the story-arc. After defeating Ulamog, they have to go find the other two and take them down.
It's a way to stretch the story out and make it more interesting.
Having Emrakul or Kozilek attack other planes would expand the story-arc. After defeating Ulamog, they have to go find the other two and take them down.
It's a way to stretch the story out and make it more interesting.
Would it though? That would be lazy to me; it's essentially telling the same story three times just with different settings. And if we're not sick of Eldrazi by the end of BFZ, we will be then.
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Having Emrakul or Kozilek attack other planes would expand the story-arc. After defeating Ulamog, they have to go find the other two and take them down.
It's a way to stretch the story out and make it more interesting.
Would it though? That would be lazy to me; it's essentially telling the same story three times just with different settings. And if we're not sick of Eldrazi by the end of BFZ, we will be then.
Well they dont need to introduce where they are going right away. Anyways it just means there another of the three major villains still around. The Three Villains being, Nicol, New Phyrexian and Eldrazi. Keeping them in their back pocket is fine.
I would be okay with kozilek showing up as they were defeating ulamog, at some point the eldrazi have to destroy planes we have visited to be a credible threat, as as it appears now, (three on different planes) we will need three blocks worth of victories. So that puts us with at least 4-5 blocks of planeswalkers vs eldrazi, which is a lot of story considering they are unlikely to have eldrazi show up more than once every 3-4 sets.
Losing a plane but still stopping Ulamog could allow BFZ to be both a victory over one of the titans as well as a necessary plane loss.
What interest me is how the titans are created. I presume one doesn't birth another as that would just make it a spawn. In the Kozilek's card some of you mentioned it states that something dark is brewing in the darkest places of Zendikar. What if it isn't a Titan munching away at the center of the planet, but a brand new Titan being formed through the destruction of the planet?
Well the option of the other titans (or just Kozilek) coming back to Zendikar when Ulamog is being defeated makes sense, as there has to be some kind of plot twist or important event to justify the second set of the block. Just stretching the plot ("Aaaaaand... we keep fighting Ulamog") for a second set can't happen.
More like they go head on with Ulamog in the first set and get trashed, then back-up arrives / power boost in the second.
I interpret Kalitas's quote (flavor text on Eldrazi Devastator) as pointing toward the latter: "No matter how big your champion, theirs is bigger. Now matter how great your numbers, theirs are greater. No matter how voracious your appetite, they are hungrier. That is why the Eldrazi will win." Poor guy doesn't see the big picture:
Eldrazi (their three-dimensional 'forms', anyway) aren't bigger than the planes they're tormenting. "The fires of Zendikar are always hungry, and there is much on which they can feed." Nissa could gain some way to turn the whole plane into an elemental that dwarfs Ulamog, or maybe Zendikar's destruction becomes inevitable and it says "screw this, I'm taking you down with me."
Weren't the eldrazi freed as part of some Bolas plot, when sarkhan was still enthralled? Or am I remembering that wrong. If it is as I remember it, I have a good idea of where the Titans are.
Also, there's one confrontation they know will hype people up, Eldrazi vs. Phyrexia. Imagine the next phyrexian themed set where the big spoiler from the second set contains this type line "creature-eldrazi praetor"
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The spawn, scions, drones, processors wont grow to become titans and there wont be any new legendary eldrazi except for Kozilek, Emrakul, and Ulamog. The non-titan eldrazi dont really evole. Each lineaage is more of an extension of their titans broodmother/father. They are more like organs than actual creatures. As long as they remain relatively true to the Lovecraftian lore all of this should remain true.
One exception to that is there could technically be other titans that are still in the blind eternities who werent lured by the Sorin, Ugin, and Nahiri 6,0000 years ago. Its not impossible since there are a lot of gods/entities in the Lovecraft pantheon, but i dont think wotc would bring more eldrazi out of nowhere. There would have to be a lot of explaining to why they werent lured to Zendikar in the first place etc, etc.
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Also interesting side note I haven't mentioned elsewhere on these forums is the flavour text for that 8/9 common eldrazi is attributed to 'Kalitas, Thrall of Ulamog'. Maybe Kalitas will come back in this or the next set too.
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Either that, or the Channeler (along with other Kozilek's "leftovers") are beacons that alert Kozilek if Ulamog was defeated/going to be defeated.
I can see the Zendikar Alliance about to defeat Ulamog, only for Kozilek to appear to assist Ulamog, turning the tide completely around. Considering the Channeler (and the flavor text) already exists, it wouldn't be a random/sudden plot twist.
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Well the option of the other titans (or just Kozilek) coming back to Zendikar when Ulamog is being defeated makes sense, as there has to be some kind of plot twist or important event to justify the second set of the block. Just stretching the plot ("Aaaaaand... we keep fighting Ulamog") for a second set can't happen.
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Yeah, same here. Not to mention there's no evidence that Kozilek and Emrakul actually left Zendikar, just that they haven't been seen on it. It could very well be that both of them are just chomping down on the yummy gooey center while Ulamog is content with the outer shell. It could be that Kozilek is still down there but Emrakul has left, leaving him to be the big bad in another set down the line after Ulamog and Kozilek are defeated in this block.
It's a way to stretch the story out and make it more interesting.
Would it though? That would be lazy to me; it's essentially telling the same story three times just with different settings. And if we're not sick of Eldrazi by the end of BFZ, we will be then.
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Well they dont need to introduce where they are going right away. Anyways it just means there another of the three major villains still around. The Three Villains being, Nicol, New Phyrexian and Eldrazi. Keeping them in their back pocket is fine.
Losing a plane but still stopping Ulamog could allow BFZ to be both a victory over one of the titans as well as a necessary plane loss.
More like they go head on with Ulamog in the first set and get trashed, then back-up arrives / power boost in the second.
I interpret Kalitas's quote (flavor text on Eldrazi Devastator) as pointing toward the latter: "No matter how big your champion, theirs is bigger. Now matter how great your numbers, theirs are greater. No matter how voracious your appetite, they are hungrier. That is why the Eldrazi will win." Poor guy doesn't see the big picture:
Also, there's one confrontation they know will hype people up, Eldrazi vs. Phyrexia. Imagine the next phyrexian themed set where the big spoiler from the second set contains this type line "creature-eldrazi praetor"
One exception to that is there could technically be other titans that are still in the blind eternities who werent lured by the Sorin, Ugin, and Nahiri 6,0000 years ago. Its not impossible since there are a lot of gods/entities in the Lovecraft pantheon, but i dont think wotc would bring more eldrazi out of nowhere. There would have to be a lot of explaining to why they werent lured to Zendikar in the first place etc, etc.