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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Quote from pappasmurf99 »
    Out of the new core set Alpine Moon has me pretty excited. It seems like a nice sideboard option for us but I have some concerns about it and was wondering what other people thought.

    Pro: One mana solution to scapeshift, tron and any other pesky man lands That doesn't hurt our lands.

    Con: it slows down tron, doesn't stop it.

    I think this card is more meant for the smaller aggro based zoo not the more midrange zoo deck. The one mana helps with the surge cost of Reckless bushwhacker. The card for big zoo as I said above just slows down Tron and actually gives Tron an out to cast their Natures Claims to stop the hate. Am I missing a step of logic with this argument?


    Alpine Moon/Damping Sphere/Blood Moon, all of these help the dreaded Tron Matchup. Which one to pick is totally up to how you decide to tackle the Titanshift and storm matchup. I personally see no reason to ever go back to blood moon in our deck because I don't feel the need to board in a bad topdeck to get free wins against random decks, so that leaves Alpine Moon and Damping Shpere for me. I personally see a lot more storm than I do titanshift so I play Sphere, and because it also hits other random combo decks like KCI. Now, if infect continues to see a rise then it may be correct to also play alpine moon to shut off inkmoth nexus, but for now I've settled on punting the titanshift matchup and only really having a fast clock + dromoka's command + random Gaddock Teeg interaction against the deck.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Voice is bad against 6 cards in the deck, 4 path and 2 teferi, and literally every card in Zoo fits the same description. Voice is great because it lets you dictate how and when they play spells, which puts you in the drivers seat. Jeskai in general is easy because our deck makes Bolt a mediocre card, and Jeskai plays 6-8 bolts in the main, along with counterspells which are not great. Sure they have some cards that are relevant, but they don't always have the best cards. When they get the UW control draws then it can be tough, but not unwinnable. I personally have upped to 4 voice and have domri in the main. You have to continually stress their path to exiles, and if you can do that then you can win.

    I also don't think Fleecemane is the right call. If you're gonna spend 5 mana then just spend the 5 mana and play Sigarda or some other fattie. I do think that this allows us to use some spicy sideboard cards that may not have been on the radar before, and I personally love Mastery of the Unseen against them. They usually don't have an answer to enchantments post board, and the card just punishes their Teferi "tucks".
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    The uptick of Jeskai is what's making me move back up to 4 copies of Voice, it's interesting how we came to different conclusions. If you find him early against them then it becomes so much easier to beat them. Pre-Jace, Jeskai control was a cake walk, now that they have Secure the Wastes and PW's, the macthup has become harder, but that's where 3x Gaddock Teeg really shines out of the board. That and Dromoka's Commands/Avacyn. I think that matchup is all about the 2 drops and forcing them to rely on Path instead of Bolt, which is what Big Zoo does well.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Glad you took the list out for a spin! There's a ton of flexibility with the deck, and I'm glad your pet cards are helping out! As long as the core remains, you'll always be able to do well with the deck, and the core is cheap, fast, and efficient creatures with the best sideboard colors in the game.

    I went 4-0 on Wednesday and 3-1 last night for 7-1 this week. The matchups were Jund, Bant Knightfall, Jund, GR Titanshift, Jund, Affinity, Jeskai Control (lost), and Grixis Control. Against Titanshift I won in the most epic of fashions, he turn 3'd a BBE into summoner's pact for another BBE, I untapped and molten rained his stomping ground to take him off of 4 mana so he died to his pact trigger Laughing

    On a side note, I just finished foiling out the full 75!

    I ran the same GP list.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    GP Phoenix Report! Just a refresher, here's my list:


    Round 1: Humans (2-1)
    I lose the first game pretty lopsidedly. Against unknown I usually try and have removal spell + 1-2 drops, but here I kept a slower hand without removal, and by the time I got some it was too late.
    In: +1 Avacyn, 2 Kozilek's Return, 2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: - 3 Smiters, 2 Tarmogoyf
    I won games 2 and 3 off the back of removal + creatures. Just like I drew it up!

    Round 2: RG Eldrazi (2-0)
    Game 1: I bolt his noble turn 1 and that messes his clock up way bad.
    In: +1 Avacyn, 2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: -2 Lightning Helix, -1 Bolt
    Game 2: Read game 1. Pretty easy win, but he kept super greedy hands.

    Round 3: Lantern Control: (2-0)
    Game 1 I just kill him before he's able to dig and find whir or bridge.
    In: +2 Teeg, +2 Thalia, +1 Stony, +1 Grudge
    Out: -3 Path, -1 DC, -2 Smiters
    Game 2 I have a hand with Grudge, Thalia, and a fast clock. He turn 1 inquisitions me and takes Thalia. I draw Teeg on turn 2 and play it which stops the Whir I see him draw later on. He gets a bridge out but I have the grudge for it, with flashback the next turn after he Academy Ruins it back. I have the GQ to stop that shenanigans and win.

    Round 4: BR Hollow One (2-1)
    I go first and it's not very close. I path and dromoka's command his big guys while his smaller guys can't even block. Travesty.
    In: +2 Dromoka's Command, +1 Ancient Grudge
    Out: -2 Lightning Helix, -1 Lightning Bolt
    Game 2 I mull to 5 with no lands. I draw my first land after 2 discard steps and lose. I almost turned the corner though!
    Game 3 is a close repeat of game 1. I play my things and he spends his first two turns trying to draw and discard stuff to play some beaters, but path is too much tempo for him. I draw a bolt with him at 8 and then have a smiter finish off his last blocker and attack for lethal.

    Round 5 Humans(2-0)
    Game 1 is back and forth, but I'm able to stop him when I'm at 6 life.
    In: +1 Avacyn, 2 Kozilek's Return, 2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: - 3 Smiters, 2 Tarmogoyf
    Game 2 wasn't as close as game 1. I kept a noble hierarch + 4 removal spell hand that go there. Twas great.

    Round 6: Jund (2-0)
    Both games were the same. He tried to discard some of my cards while I boat raced him with a proper curve. I never dipped below 13 life in either game. He lands a Liliana which I ignore on a swing back and he ticks up after playing 2 Dark Confidants and sees me put a loxodon Smiter into play for free Smile
    In: +1 Avacyn, +2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: -2 Lighning Helix, -1 Lightning Bolt

    Round 7: Jund (2-0)
    He plays Raging Ravine into Dark Confidant into inquisition of kozilek. I played Noble into Voice/Nacatl. When I reveal for his IoK I reveal 2 bloodbraid elfs and a loxodon smiter Smile
    In: +1 Avacyn, +2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: -2 Lighning Helix, -1 Lightning Bolt
    Game 2 I remove every threat he plays while landing goyf into knight. He pulses Knight but then I play knight + Voice into the third Knight I drew + Kessig Wolf Run. It wasn't even close. When your jund opponent plays turn 1 treetop village or raging ravine I feel so great.

    Round 8: Humans (2-0)
    Game 1: We go back and forth a bit but then I draw scooze who helps me recover in time to finish him off.
    In: +1 Avacyn, 2 Kozilek's Return, 2 Dromoka's Command
    Out: - 3 Smiters, 2 Tarmogoyf
    Game 2: This game was much more drawn out and interesting. We go back and forth a while and he ends up with a board filled with champions, meddling mages, freebooter, and 2 Xathrid Necromancer. His Freebooter took a Helix and attacks for 2 in the air. I'm at 8 life and it's looking pretty grim. I draw Avacyn off the top and knew I just won the game. Next turn he attacks in with Freebooter and I kill it with the Avacyn. He plays another booter to take the helix back while making 2 2/2 zombies. He ends up having to make a desperation attack all out and gets me to 1 life, but then my Avacyn flips and kills all the zombies he just received.

    Round 9: UW Control (1-2)
    Game 1: I make a seemingly small mistake that cost me the game. He won the die roll and knew what the other 8 undefeated's were on. After he turn 1 serum visioned I looked around and knew he was the UW control player. I play a shock land tapped instead of a fetchland up to bolt him eot because I had a slower hand. I end up attacking him down to 1 before he stabilizes with Jace/Gideon and kills me.
    In: +1 Avacyn, +2 Thalia, +2 Teeg, +2 Dromoka's
    Out: -3 Path, - 2 Helix, -2 Scooze
    Game 2: He gets an Elspeth the turn before I land a teeg making his hand of Jace/Cryptic useless. I get the Kessig up to kill his Elspeth after he chumps with a token. Then later he goes for the lethal attack with tokens + Collonade but I get the ghost quarter to stop lethal and make a lethal attack back.
    Game 3: Repeat of game 1. I had some iffy draws this match, and both his wins came with him at 1 life. Bad beats.

    Round 10: 4c Saheeli Good stuff. (0-2)
    He was on the play and is placying Jace, Saheeli, Voice, and other good stuff cards. I don't draw the 4th land to play 2 spells a turn and he keeps jace bouncing my blockers to waste my turn. He fateseals fetches to the bottom lol and kills me.
    In: +2 Teeg, + Avacyn, +2 Dromoka's
    Out: -2 Helix, -3 Goyf,
    Game 2: I have Nacatl + removal, but don't draw any gas while he has Jace take over the game. This match was not on the radar at all for me, and feel like had I played it before I could have made better decisions.

    Round 11: Ponza (2-1)
    Game 1: I get game 1 pretty easy as I bolt his arbor elf and tempo'd him out the game.
    In: +2 Dromoka's, +2 Teeg,
    Out: -2 Goyf, -2 Helix
    Games 2 and 3 he wins with turn 2 blood moon into Chandra's into Pia and Kiran's. They were close at some points, but I couldn't close out the game before his oozes took over. He double anger of the gods in game 2 to seal the deal. This one stinks because in my testing Ponza is a great matchup. His Blood Moons were too timely though.

    Round 12: Infect (2-0)
    Games 1 and 2 I just have fast creatures and removal spells. He lands some infect creatures but never anything that could get past my blockers. I'm pretty sure infect is just a bad bogles deck in the current metagame.
    In: +2 Dromoka's, +2 Teeg (do they even play become immense anymore?)
    Out: -3 Smiters, -1 Scavenging Ooze

    Round 13: Burn (2-0)
    Game 1: We both get fast beats out, but I get 2 bloodbraid elves and ship the cascade triggers to the bottom to get around his eidolon's. A well timed Helix is good too.
    In: +2 Dromoka's, +2 Thalia
    Out: -3 Smiter, -1 Path
    Game 2: He tries to searing blaze my Wild Nacatl but I dromoka's command preventing the damage and fighting his 2/2/ goblin guide. That was pretty much GG.

    Round 14: Grixis Death Shadow: (2-1)
    Game 1: I had the path every time. BBE is great in this matchup!
    In: +2 Thalia, +2 Dromoka's
    Out: -1 Scooze, -1 Bolt, -2 Helix
    Game 2 I drew about 5 lands in a row after he's at 4 life Frown
    Game 3: We go back and forth and Thalia does some real work with him on 2 lands. He gets to a point where he has 2x Push and 2x Snapcasters though but I topdeck the BBE and path his blocker to swing in for lethal.

    Round 15: Affinity (1-2)
    Game 1 he has 5 permanents in play on a mull to 6, followed by turn 2 etched champion.
    In: +2 Kozilek's Return, +2 Dromoka's, +Grudge, +Stony Silence
    Out: -3 Smiters, -3 some other stuff I don't remember.
    Game 2 I have 4 removal spells in hand. GG.
    Game 3 I kept a hand with some 2 drops, helix, and Kozilek's return. I have a Nacatl in hand and he empties his hand again. I need to topdeck the third land on turn 4 to live after he has etched champion with 2x plating on it. I don't topdeck it and lose. Happens.

    Was super stoked for the tournament. The deck drew like gas on day 1 which was pretty great. You definitely have to mulligan aggressively with the deck though, especially if you're not playing against a grindy deck.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on Grand Prix Phoenix - Modern
    Quote from toroks »
    Quote from Zulander »
    Quote from r497 »
    Quote from SmauG »
    No Zoo in the top 32, that's a shame. I was really hoping for a return of my favorite archetype in magic.


    They could at least have published the 8-0 Zoo's decklist


    I'm sorry Frown I tried my best but didn't draw the 3rd land against affinity to blow him out with Kozilek's Return in the final game. My list is here though and I'll be posting a report soon after finals are done on Thursday.

    List: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/565682-zoo-video-primer?comment=8777

    I wen't 8-0 into 11-4.
    Wins:
    3x Humans
    2x Jund
    BR Hollow One
    Lantern Control
    RG Eldrazi
    Infect
    Burn
    Grixis Shadow

    Losses:
    Affinity
    UW Control (10th place guy)
    Ponza (He won SCG Dallas last week)
    4c Saheeli/Jace/ValueTown.dec

    Cool! I see you won 2-0 against Ben Meyer in round 13. Do you remember what deck he played?


    Burn. Round 14 was Grixis Death Shadow.
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on Grand Prix Phoenix - Modern
    Quote from r497 »
    Quote from SmauG »
    No Zoo in the top 32, that's a shame. I was really hoping for a return of my favorite archetype in magic.


    They could at least have published the 8-0 Zoo's decklist


    I'm sorry Frown I tried my best but didn't draw the 3rd land against affinity to blow him out with Kozilek's Return in the final game. My list is here though and I'll be posting a report soon after finals are done on Thursday.

    List: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/565682-zoo-video-primer?comment=8777

    I wen't 8-0 into 11-4.
    Wins:
    3x Humans
    2x Jund
    BR Hollow One
    Lantern Control
    RG Eldrazi
    Infect
    Burn
    Grixis Shadow

    Losses:
    Affinity
    UW Control (10th place guy)
    Ponza (He won SCG Dallas last week)
    4c Saheeli/Jace/ValueTown.dec
    Posted in: Modern
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Hey all! I'm still trying to recover from GP Phoenix weekend, but I wanted to post here that I'll be typing up a report hopefully this week of the strong tournament I had. I was the zoo deck that went 8-0 on day 1. I had a sluggish couple rounds of day 2 but managed to go 11-4 good for 42nd overall and some cash/pro points. Hopefully I'll be able to do even better at GP Vegas which it's looking like I'll be able to attend currently. I'll end with my list and post the report later in the week.



    Small changes I'd make to the board would probably -1 molten rain +1 Gaddock Teeg. Again, I'll try and get the report later on this week when I'm better and finals are done.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    Quote from Dreadnaught33 »
    So which two drops have done the best for you guys in BBE zoo? Goyf is always tempting to play but i wanted to see how everything was testing for you guys. I always bounce between some number of voice, pridemage, ooze, goyf, selfless spirit and sometimes even thalia.

    Btw, in the video's TCG put out today, the list ran one big thalia and it looked sweet. Anybody playing with her?


    My favorite have been Goyf/Scooze/Voice in the main, and Teeg out of the board is great. I've played with Big Thalia before and was always underwhelmed for some reason.

    Here are some links to a couple of sweet builds recently:
    TCG Mining Modern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuXVQs-ZRo&t=25s

    Jeff Hoogland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_GWWuIQKPI
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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    posted a message on [Primer] Zoo [Video Primer]
    For what it's worth, I think Thalia is actually worse now because she makes you have to hold 1 extra up when BBE so you can cascade into non-creature spells. The best hate bear now that BBE is unbanned is actually Gaddock Teeg. Since we no longer play CoCo we don't have anything that gets hit by him, except a walker or two if you go that route. Also Eidolon of Rhetoric also got worse since cascade states you "caste" the card. So now Eidolon and Thalia got marginally worse while Teeg got much better.
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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