Quote from UsaSatsuiNo. I know where I am.
The fewer people who want something, the less value it has as a collectable.
With newer prints available, fewer people will want the old ones.
I don't see what's so hard about this.
Quote from Savage Dream LordIt is true that Legacy and Vintage are intimidating formats for newer players but I don't think that the argument that few or no Standard players would be interested in those formats because they are too afraid of it really holds up. Magic players are inquisitive and like to learn. If they didn't they probably wouldn't have bothered trying to tackle a game with thousands of rotating moving parts and a 196 page comprehensive rulebook that needs annual updates. Once they have mastered the basics, Magic players like to play around with different formats, just look at how popular EDH has gotten, not to mention Planechase, Archenemy, Momir Basic, Pauper, etc. There are always several threads on alternate formats and even people making up their own by the hundreds.
That being said, I think that there is a lot of interest in Legacy and in my experience the real barriers are cost and a false perception that it is more luck based (new players hear about the power level and imagine that there are a lot of turn 1 kills and such). If the cost barrier were removed I think that many players would at least experiment with it, especially the casual ones.
As I previously posted, Wizards wants as many people as possible in Standard, and if not in Standard then in formats with cards with power-levels that they can print in standard such as Modern and EDH. Legacy might not steal more players from Standard than from Modern but they don't want to steal ANY players from Standard, that's their money-maker. Especially to Legacy or Vintage. Even if they all started buying the master set every few years (which there would be no incentive for once they got the staples they needed) it wouldn't make up what Wizards would be losing.
Quote from Savage Dream LordYes and no. Modern is the concession. It would be a very unpopular decision for Wizards to support no eternal formats. Some people don't like rotating formats and want something a little more stable or with a larger card palette. The big difference is that Wizards can print Modern relevant cards without breaking Standard without too much trouble. So they can keep reprinting and cashing in on Modern power-level cards from here to eternity which they can't do with Legacy/Vintage. This keeps Modern players buying current product albeit to a lesser degree. People who want an eternal format get their eternal format. People who burn out on Standard have somewhere to turn that keeps them in the game which keeps them spending at least some money on recent cards.
So, from a financial point of view Wizards wants everyone to play Standard. Since that isn't realistically going to happen, Modern is the best choice for them to support between giving players a larger card pool and forcing them to buy new cards to stay current. Extended wasn't popular enough and Legacy didn't get people to buy enough cards. Modern is the balance.
Quote from Savage Dream LordPeople who play Legacy or Vintage don't need the vast majority of cards that come out. Only a few cards per block get printed that are relevant in those formats. As such those people purchase very very little current product. The vast majority of purchases that they do make are very old product on the secondary market which Wizards makes no money from. From Wizards point of view they aren't the best customers.
People who play standard need to constantly buy current product just to play the game. If they are competitive they need lots of rares and mythic rares which stores need to open lots of boxes to supply. Wizards makes a lot of money from them.
So from Wizards point of view, every customer who switches from Standard to Legacy or Vintage is essentially a customer lost. They could make a lot of money reprinting the old staples but as soon as everyone who wants them has them there is no reason for people to buy more and they have just kick-started a format that encourages people to not buy current product. Certainly there are people who wouldn't switch over entirely and continue to play both formats but Wizards doesn't want people to have their attention split, they know that their customers only have so much money to spend. Besides, some people would really enjoy it and switch over entirely and they would lose a lot of money in the long run. Historically, they are very popular formats. They don't want their Standard players to take their eyes off of Standard for one second.
That's why they don't do it and how it would harm the game. Just to be clear, I would personally enjoy the abolition of the reserve list and reprinting of the old staples but it won't happen. It isn't in Wizards interest. They would be shooting themselves in the foot so to speak.
I don't want to speak for Markers, but that is what I understood him to mean when he said that reprinting such cards would kill the game. Also, printing many of them in Standard would be silly with how high their power-level is.
Quote from MarkersGreat idea!
Printing duals/Wasteland in the common slot in a standard legal environment would not only wreck standard but kill the game...
Why whould anybody buy any future product (apart from some singles)? Certain collectors would buy a set of the game but that's about it. Everybody would start to play Legacy (it's easier to maintain your decks since you only need 1 - 3 cards per year PLUS it's much more fun than Standard) and only Legacy in the competitive environment.
Quote from JorkeWell theeere is Martyr/Proceso which pretty mucho beats every burn deck ever but besides that your matchups are pretty even or favorable except for storm which you can beat post Sb. Volley is ok but remember it actually costs mana to cast, and is not as explosive as a fireblast after two bolts.
I wouldn't worry about martyr or sb against it since you pretty much lose against it anyways no matter what, only concern is volcanic fallout, I cannot see why you would run that card, except for the tokens matchup but even then pyroclasm is way better. And it would always be sb, also there's that one card that deals 3 to everything and each player for triple red so I would run that instead.
Other than that don't forget to post a tournament report, and good luck!
Quote from MarkersAll I see in your post is a person who wants have nice cards without having to pay the money they cost.
Quote from Savage Dream LordVery few decks want to run playsets of dual lands?
Here are actual stats from the last dozen legacy events according to mtgtop8:
SCG Open Los Angeles - 1 out of the top 8
SCG Open Portland - 3 out of the top 8
Legacy @ MagicLair - 2 out of the top 8
Bologna GBLL Tappa 1 - 2 out of the top 8
BBC #1 Roma 9 - 3 out of the top 8
SCG Open Minneapolis - 3 out of the top 8
King 1 Roma - 3 out of the top 8
Liga Montserrat Legacy #7 - 4 out of the top 8
SCG Open Denver - 2 out of the top 8
Liga de Legacy de Cantabria III - 2 out of the top 8
MTG Deals Legacy - 1 out of the top 8
Manila Legacy - 3 out of the top 8
So about a quarter of top-8 legacy decks run at least 1 full playset of ABU dual lands. I guess it depends on your definition but I wouldn't classify that as "very few". More to the point, how many of those want more than 4? I don't know. I know that many of my casual decks are going to want both but I'm not a top-level competitor. A better example might be EDH where they are limited to 1 copy in 100-card decks. I can guarantee that EDH decks are going to want both.
Quote from Savage Dream LordThis only exacerbates the problem. If snow duals are ever printed it doesn't really help to make competitive-level eternal formats more affordable because the people who can afford it will then be running regular duals and snow duals and have twice the mana-fixing. Snow duals will instantly become money cards that appreciate over time and new players down the line will have yet another set of duals to buy into. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them printed and to play with them and would gladly sign your petition, but it won't make anyone competitive who wasn't competitive before. A deck that wants 4 Underground Seas wants 8 Underground Seas.
Quote from RecallJust ban the old duals.
Quote from MarkersAll I say is that you can complain all you want it's not going to change anything. And if you think the Management of Hasbro/WOTC are the only ones that want to stick to the Reserved List and that if those guys retire everything will change...sure go ahead. It's a free country.
I on the other hand would start to question myself if I REALLY wanted to those cards to play Legacy or not. And if the answer is Yes...go the way EVERYBODY does it. One step at a time. But that's me...