MTG Salvation

Quote from Lyan

I didn't forget. You get 10 power across the board for both, 10 evasive(like flying is really evasive, tell me which deck has no reach or fly..) vs 10 non-evasive.

When does Arbor Colossus trade with Abhorrent Overlord?

The last time I checked Arbor Colossus wasn't a vanilla 6/6 Reach and had a very very very cheap Monstrosity cost that's achievable on turn 4/5 in the deck it's played. It doesn't trade. It get's SWATTED down. Like a fly.



Oh I assure you dear sir, I've tested it against my RG, and "you are doing it wrong" is not a valid argument. They power out threats after the first Garruk. By threats, I meant threatS with a "S". That deck is faster than this deck, hands down, unless you get a double salvage/commune start, which doesn't happen every day. Arbor Colossi, will stick and will go monstrous to swat your fliers anyways, or Polubear's just gonna eat everything. But my point is it's raw power you really want in this slot. To each his own I guess.

Quote from Nightcinder

Selesnya Charm can be brought in in many matches due to all three of its modes being good, a 2/2 vigilance, exile, trample, all of these modes are good and IMO its main deckable, but I haven't tested this deck yet to see if there's room for actual spells outside of gy spells.

I'm wondering if this deck will have to transform from reanimator to Junk Midrange(Featuring Reanimator) like it did last standard, there's quite a bit of hate for graveyards popping up now that whip is so heavily featured.

Edit: Thoughts on Giant Adephage? Seems like one of the best creatures to whip back.

Quote from Tyrtle

@BluishGreen Could you explain why you run 4 shadowborn demons?

I love playing this deck, and have been trying to find a competitive shell for it, and have tried the demons, but most games I have to end up sac'ing them because I usually don't hit 6 creatures in the graveyard till much later game. He just feels like a 5 mana kill spell, unless I am playing/using him wrong?

Quote from Lyan

Isn't that what your dark betrayal is supposed to do anyways?



I just feel they're lackluster now, really all you want to hit is their Jace becauase it draws them their answer. Besides Esper is already a cakewalk. I really feel Mono Black is the deck's worst matchup. Aggro is nothing at all post sb.




That I agree, however the 1/1 fliers don't really add up to much. RG has Mizzium Mortars(the red version) and the green version has Arbor Colossus.

Quote from Lyan

I've cut them altogether already in favor of more real meat.



How are you finding Dark Betrayal? I seriously feel they should be Selesnya Charms, it takes care of gods, and demon all the same with no chance of them bringing it back. It dual functions against aggro as a killspell for cacklers and satyrs.

How are you finding the Sin Collectors? I seriously feel they're lackluster and prefer straight up Thoughtseize as it can deal with the boogeyman mono black much better.

Are Armada Wurms no good anymore?

Quote from Rayvelion

What about a single-ton of Slaughter Games in the sideboard without splashing and just using Sylvan Caryatid to get the single red mana when we need it? We are already running 4 Caryatids in the first place.

I think it's a pretty highly underrated card, sure it takes 4 mana, but for instance, if you know your opponents control deck is running a single card as a Finisher, you can simply just name their finisher and they have to scoop. Obviously this is gotten around by (most) control decks having multiple ways of finishing you, but removing 1 out of their two 2 options is valuable, ESPECIALLY if you Sin Collector to see which finisher they could be holding in their hand.

It also hits any decks that are running cards that are incredibly important, think Advent of the Wurm, Whip of Erebos, Voice of Resurgence, Master of Waves, Underworld Connections, Sphinx's Revelation, Elspeth, Aetherling, Gray Merchant, Jace, Blood Baron, Desecration Demon.

The sheer options of messing up your opponents strategy with Slaughter Games I think outweights the fact that we would need to use a Caryatid to get the mana. The things that tend to blow our deck out are specific cards and not an over-arching strategy using multiple cards. We can pick out what thing we don't want to see played against us, and prevent them from using it.

If you turn 4 Slaughter Games you can effectively stop a Control deck from doing what they like to do which is control until they blow you out with a huge Rev.