Uh, if lili ults on turn 1, thats insane. -X to discard cards is a big No.
I would say Lili's ult is fine. If she ults on turn 1, it's basically a Mind Rot one turn early, which is not overpowered for a mythic rare. I like Sigis's changes.
My only other gripe is that divinity counters were used exclusively in Kamigawa, and there are no Rhox on Kamigawa. I think that Rhodan should be a kitsune planeswalker.
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the +1/+1 counters removed when -1/-1 counters are added, thus letting the creature come back by Undying?
Not true. The removal of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters is a State Based Effect, and is checked at the same time as other SBEs. If a creature would die to SBEs because of 0 toughness and has both counter types, the game uses the last known information from right before the SBEs are checked to determine if undying/persist should trigger. Since it had both counter types, neither ability will trigger, and your creature will stay in the graveyard.
Ajani, Revenant3WB
Tribal Planeswalker - Ajani Spirit
[+2] Target player discards a card. You gain 3 life.
[-X] Return target Spirit permanent card with converted mana cost X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
[-9] You get an emblem with "Spirit permanents you control have soulshift X, where X is its converted mana cost minus one." and "At the beginning of your upkeep, return target Spirit creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield."
4
Bloodbond (If this card would be put into any other zone from your library, you may reveal this card and pay any non-zero amount of life. If you do, you may cast this card. It costs 1 less for each life paid.)
It's kinda like a weird mix between miracle and phyrexian mana for colorless mana, except that it also activates if the card would be exiled or put into your graveyard (or the stack/battlefield, if you really wanted to get the extra bonus from bloodbond).
Hematic Initiate2B
Creature - Vampire
Bloodbond
Hematic Initiate comes into play with a +1/+1 counter if it was cast with bloodbond.
2/1
Sanguine Hunter2BB
Creature - Vampire (U)
Bloodbond (If this card would be put into any zone from your library, you may reveal this card and pay any non-zero amount of life. If you do, you may cast this card. It costs 1 less for each life paid.)
Sanguine Hunter comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it and has lifelink if it was cast with bloodbond.
3/2
Bloodblast3BB
Sorcery (U)
Bloodbond
Destroy target creature. If Bloodblast was cast with bloodbond, you may destroy an additional target creature.
Bloodgorged Count4BBB
Creature - Vampire (R)
Bloodbond
Flying
Bloodgorged count comes into play with a +1/+1 counter for each life paid for its bloodbond ability, and is indestructible as long as it was cast with bloodbond.
4/3
That's not quite right. The herald cycle works because it asks you to pay three separate costs. This is more like Coalition Victory, where something like Progenitus or other WUBRG creatures would satisfy all conditions. You would have to use wording to explicitly make it count a creature once.
I didn't get to say this before the judging, but I also really liked your card because of how awesomely it combos with Koth of the Hammer. I really wish that was a card
This topic just came up in rulings. Just because it is not printed doesn't mean it is not a part of the card. Because of this, basic land can't be played in off color EDH decks because even without text they have a mana symbol.
Summon Legend is actually right. The card that The Most Curious Thing made specifically references instances of "in the text" of a card, which means it shouldn't interact with abilities that are intrinsic to the card because of its types but aren't actually printed. It's kinda counterintuitive, but if it only affects nonland permanents anyways, it won't really come up at all.
Hey all, I have a question regarding phyrexian mana and EDH. I am looking to make a planeswalker-heavy EDH deck, and was considering putting Norn's Annex in as a way to protect them. My question is:
If I control Norn's Annex, can opponents without white in their commander's color identity still pay 2 life per creature to attack me or a planeswalker I control, since they're not actually adding white mana to their mana pool?
Stoatal Eclipse of the Heart3BG
Tribal Artifact - Ferret (R)
Ferret creatures you control get +1/+1 for each non-Ferret creature your opponents control.
Non-Ferret creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 for each Ferret permanent you control. Forever's gonna stoat tonight // Forever's gonna stoat tonight
IIW: Sig
EDIT: removing the modal part...it makes it too cluttered.
Stoatal Recall2UG
Tribal Enchantment - Ferret
When Stoatal Recall enters the battlefield, search your graveyard and/or library for any number of Ferret cards and exile them. If your library is searched this way, shuffle it.
If a Ferret card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may exile it instead.
You may play Ferret cards from exile.
Zhalfirin Specter3WB
Creature - Spirit Knight (R)
Flanking
Phasing
When Zhalfirin Specter phases in, creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
When Zhalfirin Specter phases out, creatures you don't control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
3/2
Doppelfactorum10
Artifact (M)
Whenever another permanent enters the battlefield, that permanent's controller puts a token that's a copy of it onto the battlefield.
IIW: Junk mythics
Is this intended to hose legendary things and planeswalkers?
EDIT: And cause an infinite loop the next time a permanent enters the battlefield? It doesn't specify nontoken.
Rules-wise, I don't think memory issues are a problem for her last ability. I think you could just have it say something like "During each opponent's next three turns, creatures that player controls can't attack you or a planeswalker you control." The ability doesn't need to be self referential, as it just sets up a continuous effect that alters how opponents can declare attacks. My only gripe about it is that it interacts abysmally with Stonehorn Dignitary, as both effects are similar, but will be "used up" simultaneously. But then again, you can always just wait 3 turns to play it.
I would say Lili's ult is fine. If she ults on turn 1, it's basically a Mind Rot one turn early, which is not overpowered for a mythic rare. I like Sigis's changes.
My only other gripe is that divinity counters were used exclusively in Kamigawa, and there are no Rhox on Kamigawa. I think that Rhodan should be a kitsune planeswalker.
Not true. The removal of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters is a State Based Effect, and is checked at the same time as other SBEs. If a creature would die to SBEs because of 0 toughness and has both counter types, the game uses the last known information from right before the SBEs are checked to determine if undying/persist should trigger. Since it had both counter types, neither ability will trigger, and your creature will stay in the graveyard.
EDIT: Nath'd
Tribal Planeswalker - Ajani Spirit
[+2] Target player discards a card. You gain 3 life.
[-X] Return target Spirit permanent card with converted mana cost X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
[-9] You get an emblem with "Spirit permanents you control have soulshift X, where X is its converted mana cost minus one." and "At the beginning of your upkeep, return target Spirit creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield."
4
IIW: Release the KRAKEN
It's kinda like a weird mix between miracle and phyrexian mana for colorless mana, except that it also activates if the card would be exiled or put into your graveyard (or the stack/battlefield, if you really wanted to get the extra bonus from bloodbond).
Hematic Initiate 2B
Creature - Vampire
Bloodbond
Hematic Initiate comes into play with a +1/+1 counter if it was cast with bloodbond.
2/1
Sanguine Hunter 2BB
Creature - Vampire (U)
Bloodbond (If this card would be put into any zone from your library, you may reveal this card and pay any non-zero amount of life. If you do, you may cast this card. It costs 1 less for each life paid.)
Sanguine Hunter comes into play with a +1/+1 counter on it and has lifelink if it was cast with bloodbond.
3/2
Bloodblast 3BB
Sorcery (U)
Bloodbond
Destroy target creature. If Bloodblast was cast with bloodbond, you may destroy an additional target creature.
Bloodgorged Count 4BBB
Creature - Vampire (R)
Bloodbond
Flying
Bloodgorged count comes into play with a +1/+1 counter for each life paid for its bloodbond ability, and is indestructible as long as it was cast with bloodbond.
4/3
That's not quite right. The herald cycle works because it asks you to pay three separate costs. This is more like Coalition Victory, where something like Progenitus or other WUBRG creatures would satisfy all conditions. You would have to use wording to explicitly make it count a creature once.
I didn't get to say this before the judging, but I also really liked your card because of how awesomely it combos with Koth of the Hammer. I really wish that was a card
Summon Legend is actually right. The card that The Most Curious Thing made specifically references instances of
It's true. But this way it doesn't interact really weirdly with Dryad Arbor!
If I control Norn's Annex, can opponents without white in their commander's color identity still pay 2 life per creature to attack me or a planeswalker I control, since they're not actually adding white mana to their mana pool?
Tribal Artifact - Ferret (R)
Ferret creatures you control get +1/+1 for each non-Ferret creature your opponents control.
Non-Ferret creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 for each Ferret permanent you control.
Forever's gonna stoat tonight // Forever's gonna stoat tonight
IIW: Sig
EDIT: removing the modal part...it makes it too cluttered.
Creature - Zombie Illusion
Dredge 3
Delve
Graven Narcomoeba gets +1/+1 for each card exiled by it.
1/1
Tribal Enchantment - Ferret
When Stoatal Recall enters the battlefield, search your graveyard and/or library for any number of Ferret cards and exile them. If your library is searched this way, shuffle it.
If a Ferret card would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may exile it instead.
You may play Ferret cards from exile.
Creature - Spirit Knight (R)
Flanking
Phasing
When Zhalfirin Specter phases in, creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
When Zhalfirin Specter phases out, creatures you don't control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
3/2
IIW: Sig
Is this intended to hose legendary things and planeswalkers?
EDIT: And cause an infinite loop the next time a permanent enters the battlefield? It doesn't specify nontoken.