Ya the bombs were split across colors and so was the pool in general. Splashing seemed awkward since they were mostly at least double colored cmc. Going black or green meant having to run subpar creatures like nirkana revenant. I figured I had to pay either planar outburst or double ruinous path if not both. The blue and red had good overall quality though and made it tough to decide what to go. Thanks for the replies.
Here is the pool I opened in a pre-release. I'm wondering what other people would have built with it. Cards are organized by color, then rarity, then mana cost.
Thanks Rant, I don't own an Entreat either but I like your idea of cutting Emeria Angel. I do support green aggro and I'm meh on both Chameleon Colossus and Phantom Centaur (a little meh on Kudzu too but I want to see how it goes). Thanks sir.
1. Is there an easy way to figure out card prices for my cube, maybe even in a sortable way? Could I export it to a different website to do this, without having to type in each card 1 by 1?
Holy crap 7 pages of the same question! I haven't seen this said (or more likely it's buried somewhere and that person has given up repeating themselves), but he can't use his second ability on himself because he can't ACTIVATE it if he is in play. If you are hoping he can bounce himself from an incoming path to exile he can't, because his second ability can't be activated unless he is sitting in the graveyard already.
@Tinman: Precinct Captain has been ok, the double white mana cost is the dealbreaker I think, at least for me. I'm happy taking mine out for a Stormfront Pegasus.
Thanks again to everyone that commented, it's been a huge help and I feel like these changes are far and away much better than my first changes were. Here are the adds/cuts I decided on!
Rantipole:
I was having a hard time deciding what to pull in red, the other cards I was thinking about cutting were Devil's Play and Brimstone Volley. Maybe I'll cut the Devil's Play like you suggested instead of ember hauler.
Eidolon232:
-What about cutting emeria angel for ranger of eos instead of cutting rout? Those 2 drops look good but not overly exciting. Kor Haven looks good thought, how good has it been for you?
-The Inkwell Leviathan was to give more fuel for Tinker and reanimator decks but I really like the Augur of Bolas suggestion instead. I think I want to try out Aetherling and replacing a current 6 drop (Keiga, the Tide Star) seems like the logical choice don't you think?
-I've been trying to replace a bunch of black stuff for a while and Liliana Vess and Graveborn Muse have been pretty underwhelming, do you have any other suggestions besides Braids? I know Braids is really good but we just choose not to run her.
-Sneak Attack looks too fun not to at least try out :), I know there isn't much support for it in red, I planned on it being a splash card for other colors. Do you like Ember Hauler or no? I'm not sure if I should cut it or not.
-Regarding the 4 drops, I didn't know what else to cut. I have no idea how good Oracle of Mul Daya is, or the order of Chameleon Colossus, Deadbridge Goliath, and Phantom Centaur. If you could only keep one which would you hold on to? Pulling Ulvenwald Tracker and Bramblecrush seem like clear upgrades to me though.
Hesitant Changes (based on previous changes a few posts ago)
out --- in
It's been since Gatecrash since I've posted updates to my cube so it may need more work than this, but it's a start. Big thanks to Eidolon232 for his cube comparison thread, it helped a lot! Feedback from anyone would be great.
Deathrite Shaman should definitely be in over Vraska imo, so that change was all good.
There are only a few one-drops that I would consider first picking over the Shaman (Mother of Runes, Goblin Guide, Figure etc.). It has been incredible for us.
It's really more of a black card than a green card, as you wouldn't play it without black mana, but it's still very playable without green mana.
Thanks! I love the card but wasn't sure how it would do in a cube environment. I'll put it in and see how it goes.
Here are SOME proposed changes in preparation for the Gatecrash release. I haven't had a chance to look at the mono colored stuff closely yet, so suggestions would be great! (I flinched when seeing some of the things I was still playing in the guild section.)
Sorry for the bump folks but my link died and I don't want my thread to be removed for inactivity or anything. I update every set and will be adding GTC soon!
kor bladewhirl
angel of renewal
cliffside scout
angelic gift
stone haven medic
fortified rampart
2 shadow glider
makindi patrol
ondu greathorn
smite the monstrous
ghostly sentinel
dampening pulse
windrider patrol
3 dispel
rush of ice
2 clutch of currents
coralhelm guide
tightening coils
benthic infiltrator
murk strider
brilliant spectrum
wave-wing elemental
2 ruinous path
3 vampiric rites
altar's reap
2 dominator drone
2 nirkana assassin
complete disregard
voracious null
silent skimmer
mind raker
mire's malice
kalastria nightwatch
radiant flames
processor assault
tunneling geopede
retreat to valakut
chasm guide
2 lavastep raider
outnumber
kozilek's sentinel
valakut invoker
touch of the void
2 belligerent whiptail
2 ondu champion
2 stonefury
shatterskull recruit
greenwarder of murasa
jaddi offshoot
brood monitor
2 oran-rief invoker
plummet
earthen arms
lifespring druid
natural connection
tajuru stalwart
territorial baloth
tajuru beastmaster
fathom feeder
munda, ambush leader
bring to light
herald of kozilek
skyrider elf
hedron archive
deathless behemoth
scour from existence
blighted gorge
spawning bed
evolving wilds
mortuary mire
2. No is good, I like no
1. Is there a way to export my list to either site or am I stuck doing the entire thing card by card?
1. Is there an easy way to figure out card prices for my cube, maybe even in a sortable way? Could I export it to a different website to do this, without having to type in each card 1 by 1?
2. Should I add Entreat the Angels and/or Vinelasher Kudzu, if so what could I take out for them? Thanks!
OUT ----------> IN
Cloistered Youth - Soldier of the Pantheon
Stormfront Pegasus - Imposing Sovereign
Ajani, Caller of the Pride - Spear of Heliod
Elspeth Tirel - Elspeth, Sun's Champion
(<TBD> - Entreat the Angels)
Psionic Blast - Thassa, God of the Sea
Repeal - Opposition
Sewer Nemesis - Tormented Hero
Barter in Blood - Hero's Downfall
Torch Fiend - Firedrinker Satyr
Pyrewild Shaman - Young Pyromancer
Fireblast - Purphoros, God of the Forge
Brimstone Volley - Lightning Strike
Red Sun's Zenith - Bonfire of the Damned
Krosan Tusker - Elvish Mystic
Ohran Viper - Sylvan Caryatid
Indrik Stomphowler - Polukranos, World Eater
Wolfir Silverheart - Kalonian Hydra
(TBD - <Vinelasher Kudzu>)
simic growth chamber - temple of mystery
ghor-clan rampager - xenagos, the reveler
prophetic bolt - steam augury
Thanks again to everyone that commented, it's been a huge help and I feel like these changes are far and away much better than my first changes were. Here are the adds/cuts I decided on!
IN ---> OUT
Stormfront pegasus --- Precinct Captain
Ranger of Eos --- Rout
Aetherling --- Keiga, the tide star
augur of bolas --- gilded drake
reassembling skeleton --- ink-eyes, servant of oni
inquisition of kozilek --- liliana of the dark realms
blood scrivener --- liliana vess
dauthi marauder --- bloodgift demon
sneak attack --- devil's play
pyrewild shaman --- ember hauler
natural order --- bramblecrush
experiment one --- ulvenwald tracker
wolfbitten captive --- deadbridge goliath
worn powerstone --- lightning greaves
knight of the reliquary --- sigarda, host of herons
voice of resurgence --- loam lion
ral zarek --- desolate lighthouse
Unsure about white, I know I have a lot of 4 drop creatures, and one of them may need to be sublime archangel, not sure...
Rantipole:
I was having a hard time deciding what to pull in red, the other cards I was thinking about cutting were Devil's Play and Brimstone Volley. Maybe I'll cut the Devil's Play like you suggested instead of ember hauler.
Eidolon232:
-What about cutting emeria angel for ranger of eos instead of cutting rout? Those 2 drops look good but not overly exciting. Kor Haven looks good thought, how good has it been for you?
-The Inkwell Leviathan was to give more fuel for Tinker and reanimator decks but I really like the Augur of Bolas suggestion instead. I think I want to try out Aetherling and replacing a current 6 drop (Keiga, the Tide Star) seems like the logical choice don't you think?
-I've been trying to replace a bunch of black stuff for a while and Liliana Vess and Graveborn Muse have been pretty underwhelming, do you have any other suggestions besides Braids? I know Braids is really good but we just choose not to run her.
-Sneak Attack looks too fun not to at least try out :), I know there isn't much support for it in red, I planned on it being a splash card for other colors. Do you like Ember Hauler or no? I'm not sure if I should cut it or not.
-Regarding the 4 drops, I didn't know what else to cut. I have no idea how good Oracle of Mul Daya is, or the order of Chameleon Colossus, Deadbridge Goliath, and Phantom Centaur. If you could only keep one which would you hold on to? Pulling Ulvenwald Tracker and Bramblecrush seem like clear upgrades to me though.
Hesitant Changes (based on previous changes a few posts ago)
out --- in
Emeria Angel (keep rout) --- Ranger of Eos
Inkwell Leviathan --- Augur of Bolas
Liliana Vess --- [something other than smallpox?]
Devil's Play (keep ember hauler) --- Pyrewild Shaman
Oracle of Mul Daya --- chameleon colossus OR phantom centaur?
Let me know what you think...
Out --- In
Rout--- Ranger of Eos
gilded drake --- inkwell leviathan
keiga, the tide star --- aetherling
graveborn muse --- blood scrivener
liliana of the dark realms --- inquisition of kozilek
liliana vess --- smallpox
ember hauler --- pyrewild shaman
reckless charge ---sneak attack
ulvenwald tracker --- experiment one
chameleon colossus --- wolf-bitten captive
deadbridge goliath --- mayor of avabruck
bramblecrush --- natural order
lightning greaves --- worn powerstone
phantom centaur --- oracle of mul daya
desolate lighthouse --- ral zarek
sigarda, host of herons --- knight of the reliquary
loam lion --- voice of resurgence
Thanks! I love the card but wasn't sure how it would do in a cube environment. I'll put it in and see how it goes.
Boros Charm IN Brion Stoutarm OUT
Duskmantle Seer IN Oona, Queen of the Fae OUT
Simic Charm IN Coiling Oracle OUT
Any thoughts on the cards in the above post that didn't make it in? Especially Vraska the Unseen versus Deathrite Shaman?
IN - - - > OUT
Boros Charm -> Brion Stoutarm
Duskmantle Seer -> Oona, Queen of the Fae
*** Deathrite Shaman -> Vraska the Unseen
Armada Wurm -> Sigarda, Host of Herons
Simic Charm -> Coiling Oracle <finally> (Prime Speaker Zegana good enough too?)
***Obzedat, Ghost Council -> Stillmoon Cavalier
Experiment One -> ? ? ? ? ?
***Dimir Charm -> ? ? ? ? ?
***= unsure about this addition
? ? ? ? ?= unsure what to cut for the proposed addition