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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    DK’s frustration feels pure.

    @Asta: how did you go from DK being your strongest townread to liking his wagon?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Lots of text and nothing seems to have been said apart from a semantic discussion on what sterile means.
    Can someone explain me in simple words where the dkings wagon comes from?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Oh wait Keldeo replaced Mind. These replacements are giving me a headache :/
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Except that I'm not sure if such a new player understands the implications of a mason claim even from a scum perspective.
    Daychat would fix that, unless they specifically told Asta to keep acting like he had no information.

    Unless we’re facing a completely inactive scumteam.

    I’m not voting Vaimes toDay unless he’s the only possibility for a deadline lynch.
    And let’s not go to a deadline lynch? We want time to reassess after a claim. It’s time to consolidate and get the D1 end going.

    The last votecount:
    Quote from D_V »
    Votecount 1.10
    KittyCupCake(5) - Nachomamma8, Gemma, dkingsland967, Asta, vezokpiraka

    Grapefruit21(2) - tomsloger, Rhand

    Axelrod(1) - Vaimes
    Keldeo(1) - KittyCupCake
    tomsloger(1) - Grapefruit21
    Vaimes(1) - fulcrum

    Not Voting(6) - Jackrito, Axelrod, Killjoy, Lastwhisper, Silvercrys, Keldeo
    Day One ends on December 7th at 4PM PST
    With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Lynch


    Jackrito has one more day to respond to the prod before I seek replacement

    Grape >> Axel = Keldeo > tom > KCC = Vaimes for me in the existing wagons.
    Outside this, I would be ok with KJ, maybe Nacho, Fulcrum, the Shadow / Mind replacements.

    Not voting is not ok in this stage of the Day.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    @DK
    did kcc not give a town read or at least a psuedo townread on Grape with his thoughts on Grape not knowing there was a day chat?
    don't think that interaction is ever w/w

    Unless it's constructed in daychat Teach
    (not that I think that's the case)
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    For Dkings: this is the theory about the linking I wrote out for Proph a few years ago:



    It's not as clear cut as that; you have to look for how they are tying people together.
    Scarlet in Hayate did it too, and that was not scum motivated.

    What I look for are premature conclusions based on a flip that hasn't happened yet.
    Attacking people because they are bussing someone or coaching someone without adding reasoning that they are scum even without the coaching or bussing is pretty damning: why would town ever do that?
    Step into your own town!shoes. Would you be willing to call someone scum only because someone else might flip scum?
    You shouldn't. Thoughts like that can be outed, but should never ever be formed as an attack, a conclusion or a vote.
    If you see one of those, you probably found scum.

    Step into your scum!shoes. You want to spread as much distrust among town as you can. Adding suspicion to others because of the actions of one is very tempting. I have often caught myself doing that (luckily most of the time before I press submit).

    Examples: A post like 'If Y ever flips scum, X might very well be coaching him here' is fine: not an attack, not a conclusion, not a vote. Just something to remember for the future.
    'Look at this, X is clearly coaching Y here' comes from scum: without Y's flip this is a baseless conclusion.
    'Wow X, are you bussing Y now?' will often come from scum, but I've seen overzealous town write that too. Look for more posts of the same kind in that case: a single post like this isn't telling, but a streak of similar posts very much is.
    'I think X, Y and Z are scum together because of blabla' can come from both. Analyse the blabla in that case.

    In all cases, it is important to analyse if the player who makes the accusation / conclusion really believes player Y to be scum. If he is convinced of that, a town!player might be making those conclusions prematurely without meaning harm or wanting to spread distrust. If he doesn't (which is especially the case when scum use the same sort of attacks on multiple players), lynch him.

    Am I making sense? Smile
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    @Grape: you give a conflicted read in this post. Why are you so sure the tmi tom accuses you of is about the second part of your sentence and not about the “part of me wants to town read that” part?
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Part of me wants to town read that as scum like to avoid that sort of disconnect in their posts but the thrust of the intent feels anti town to me.
    I really wish I knew you back
    Before you knew too much
    (Who taught ya how to move like that
    Throw it back, you my old school crush)

    grapefruit scum
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Heh I thought KJ was voting me.
    @KJ: why aren’t you voting me?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    I’m going to ignore my instinct and let KJ slide for now. Too many of my townreads are calling this v/v.
    And I think there’s other scum in the Grape slot. The way he votes tom and then casually talks to him later is off. And he doesn’t have a real reason for the tom vote.

    vote Grape

    @Dkings: When I have time, I will look up the theory about toxic linking I once wrote out for Proph. Linking people can indeed be scum motivated, but that’s not what I am doing here. I am merely stating possible connections when I see them.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    I think I'll just vote rhand. The 180 on KJ after KJ showed suspicion of him is pretty disturbing. It feels like Rhand is just poking around trying to make a wagon stick. His vote on me was also iffy.

    @Rhand: Why would misguided town have less conviction than scum trying to push you? Town usually have a lot more conviction in their reads regardless if they are wrong or right.

    It’s not any misguided town. It’s KJ. This level of conviction after being so wrong so often bugs me.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Somebody tell me what villager Rhand is doing this game.

    Rhand: Link me the best towngame you can and best scumgame you can. Recent doesn't matter. Your style hasn't changed in a while.

    The two games I am most proud of that come to mind immediately are my last two micro’s.
    In the one that just ended I was town and had the scumteam nailed very quickly, and in the other one (token 2) I was mafia and managed to score a perfect win. You were in both.

    if you want bigger games, I will have to dig a bit. I’m not good at remembering which situations occurred in which games.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    The login page from twitch doesn’t want to load on my work computer Frown

    KJ clearly read my 300 where I had Vezok as scum. He then says my read on Vezok in 487 doesn’t feel like it naturally came about. Which was a read I already had and got strengthened.

    When he talks about my 300 now, he belittles the tool ISO’ing people is.
    As if it’s scum behaviour to do a reread off ISO’s.
    He talks about a lack of cohesiveness of the reads but doesn’t give examples. If you read my 300, you will see my reads are connected and that I do look for context when reading an ISO.

    The worst he does is accusing me of not asking Vezok to explain herself, while that is exactly what KJ has been doing to me: he threw a bunch of empty statements in thread and only now that I’m voting him he starts explaining them.
    The few questions he did throw at me were weak or already answered.

    Also, click that link he just posted in 1070 and look how he misinterprets what I say there to paint a picture of me.

    Can he be misguided town? Maybe. But that just doesn’t jive with the strength of his read.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    By the way, when I talk about KJ being wrong about me every time, I am not exaggerating.
    In every single game this year where we played together, he was town. And in every single one he got my alignment wrong. He towncleared me when I was mafia and lynched me when I was town. Every time.
    Him being this sure of my alignment on Day 1 makes no sense whatsoever after all of that.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    @Last: what do you mean with consistent?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Killjoy »

    Rhand: Because I wasn't reading the rest of the thread before I posted, obviously.
    Your point still makes no sense re: Vaimes ISO so whatevers. I'm not gonna twist my brain all up for that.

    Then you explain me why scum!Vaimes would ever tell town!Grape to go and read all his own posts in a vacuum. Grape is a good player. Making him ISO yourself when you’re scum is a completely needless risk.

    Pay attention to my next post though, it's gonna be "Why you're scum this game".

    Is this supposed to feel intimidating or something? if this is your new scum meta, then I don’t like it.
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