- GrickyTimmick
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Jun 21, 2012GrickyTimmick posted a message on U/W Blink-Bounce AKA Venser-Stonehorn ComboWhat about Disperse?Posted in: GrickyTimmick Blog
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Jun 21, 2012GrickyTimmick posted a message on U/W Blink-Bounce AKA Venser-Stonehorn ComboI knew about the Hunter-Flicker combo, I just didn't see an opening for it in the deck. Not bad. I was considering also Silent Departure since it's cheap and has flashback. There are some other bounce effects too. Peel was more useful when I had multiple 1 drop dudes in there. Sanctifier was really useful to Peel with, but now that she's gone, I think I need to replace Peel with something better.Posted in: GrickyTimmick Blog
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Jun 19, 2012GrickyTimmick posted a message on Mono Green Fight ClubI think I can live with 3 Ooze. Also, the BoP is there to get a threat on T2 if need be. Growth is cool, but doesn't do as much for me in the long run, especially if I'm really really needing to bond to silverheart and fly over for lethal, which has happened a few times in the mirrormatch.Posted in: GrickyTimmick Blog
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I was town. Just had to replace out to find a job. And I've found a job, not a great one, but one that pays me in money. So hopefully I won't have to replace out of any more games ever.
Second, I agree that RR played a stellar game and deserves the scum MVP award. I honestly thought that he would be killed the day of his replacement. The fact that we got a mislynch and kept him around for one more night phase was crucial to the game lasting as long as it did.
As for my own play, I didn't realize that I had so few posts in the game. My life issues were a burden on my gameplay, I just didn't realize the extent. Still, I feel like when I made a post, it was large and inclusive enough to make up for the small amount of posts. I will admit that in the last day, I pulled a planned lurk until I felt like commenting on the Cyouni wagon was safe enough. Not only did I do this to wait for Voxx's comments, but I was planning the angle I was going to push on the Cy wagon. I didn't want to come on too strong, as that might give me away. I also didn't want to limp onto the wagon, as it might raise some questions. I pushed on conviction, which I thought I had enough of myself. Void didn't see things my way and gut overpowered Voxx. Point is, I tried taking the most careful steps during the last day do get the mislynch without any major slip ups.
As for who should be the scum MVP, I don't see any reason why it can't be co-mvp. RR played amazingly and deserves it, but I also feel like I put in my work too, as much as I could anyway.
Regardless of awards, the town played really well the whole game. I had a lot of fun playing and hope this game has set a tone for league games to come. Good job to everyone involved and good game to everyone playing.
That's what makes me feel like it was a very circumstantial win for the town. If Cyan doesn't give a shot to Cyouni, scum win. If Voxx uses his RB any other day, scum (probably) win. There were too many town mechanics left over at the end to ruin me. Plus, we let Cyan just hand out Vig shots, in hopes that the shots would kill townies (they did) or that we would get them (I tried :[). I never thought that letting Cyan live so long to hand out one last vig shot would be my downfall. Hell, if Cyan had vig-gifted to anyone BUT Cyouni, the scum might have pulled out a win.
Very circumstantial, somewhat frustrating, very very good game. I had fun, that's what it comes down to for me.
There was no way that AE had targeted me. The way he put whatever people were calling a breadcrumb in thread made me sure of that fact. It also made me sure that AE was planning on targeting me. I didn't account for the fact that any unsure phrasing by me would sick the hounds on me. I honestly don't even know what mistake I made. I felt so unsure that I had even made a mistake that it made my defense that much more believable. I just thought the town was grasping at straws, which is probably what happened, but they happened to grasp at the right straws without knowing it.
Funny story about the AE NK. Me and RR were debating who the doc was and had been eliminating suspects. We settled on shooting WG that night, thinking it would net us the Doc. RR had some suspicions about AE though, seeing as how Voxx had confirmed him. We talk about it and I say "Ok, well, I'ma go send in the kill on WG." I get to the message, say "eff it, I'll go with AE instead" and boom. I went back into the mafia QT and told RR "Hey, I lied, I shot AE". Turned out pretty good.
Actually, I'm a perma-strongman. Mafia Ninja. I go through all forms of protections and preventions. Fairly handy role to have at endgame. Like I said, the only think I was worried about was the kill Cy had at the end.
GG guys. I tried. I thought I had it locked up there at the end when Void made the push against Cyouni for me. Cy was the only choice for a mislynch after he revealed he had a shot.
Voxx's gut saved this game for the town. He knew that every shred of evidence said lynch Cy, but chose to ignore the facts. I was really banking of Voxx to read the overwhelming evidence and put all his stock in it. Apparently Voxx his a sixth sense about these things. Kinda sucks being lynched and nobody ever presented anything against me.
Oh well. It was a hard fought battle and I think that each of you who made it to the end played an exceptional game. My hat's off to you. For being the last scum left, I had some very difficult choices to make as far as who to keep alive for the endgame and how to play the night.
Double-hat's off to Void. Even though you pushed on Cy at the end, you didn't let it cloud your judgement into being a stubborn bulldog at the end. I know you have struggled in the past, but you are really honing your skills as of late. You're incessant bulldogging questions as town is one thing I have grown to fear as a scum. Keep up the good work.
I don't know if I'll get in trouble for ending the game and admitting all of this before GanDan has a chance to do that himself, but seeing as how I've already been lynched I really don't think it should be a problem. It's been a long game. Fun at times, frustrating at others, and sometimes both. Thanks GanDan, I thought you were a damn good mod and the setup was well balanced, just as the name implied.
GG town. You got me.
As for his claim, I see no reason to believe it couldn't be a gambit. It's generally accepted in mafia that a miller claim should be done at the beginning of a game to make the person more trustworthy. Scum can and have falseclaimed Miller because all it takes is the early claim and some smooth talking and smooth gameplay to prevent being killed. It's not something I would expect an inexperienced player to pull off, but a scum with experience wouldn't have a problem with it. Cyouni's not a noob, and from what I've seen from his other games, he's perfectly capable of this level of play. That makes his claim neutral in my book.
Romney. He needs the support in these supposed "dark times". Also, he apparently only wrote a victory speech, that's what he told the media. So you know he needs a friend. He didn't even consider a loss.
First, my argument cares very little whether you did or didn't vote them, the fact that you threatened to vote the last player in is enough. Second, I see what you did there and I'll get to it later. Point is, you threatening to vote players that are lurking or OOG or generally not playing the game is a showy way of allowing yourself to not play the game.
Well, I said it when explaining why A Bear is obv town. Your condescending remarks not withstanding, I am here to help if you need it and I do have knowledge of how town and scum behave.
The non-content is your vote history and refusal to add to what's actually happening in the game. Your Research is the justifications for your non-content actions and it's flawed, which is why your actions can be proven to be non-content. This argument has been confused long enough.
Then why bring it up? You are now arguing that your own data is flawed, just as I have been arguing. Good day sir.
Reading through the thread, your posts jumped out at me for reasons that I've explained a million times now, and I went head-first into the wall-post pool and came out with a goldmine. I built my case and analysis and didn't really look into anything that wasn't written by you. You'll have to forgive me for not including the only other serious vote that was on you at the time. Would you rather I just /barn his vote? Probably not. I find it much better to post my own case, my own reasoning and analysis.
Also, I find it funny that people attack me for ganging up on you with Lamp and when I vehemently deny that, you attack me for NOT working with Lamp. There's no happy medium here is there?
Believe it or not, that's up to you. What you really need to focus on is how whatever you believe affects my alignment. I don't think me not including Lamp's arguments in my own says anything about my alignment whatsoever, let alone me being scummy for it, as you are trying to imply.
Like I said, I've got my own arguments and reasoning. I don't need another players, I don't need to repost their arguments into my own.
The match was, is and will continue to be lit. Your early posts contain several examples of you avoiding gameplay with OOG issues. I've proven that. The only thing that's changed since then is me calling you out on it and you OMGUSing me with that vote of yours, and then twisting arguments every which way to call me scum for attacking you.
So I'm scum because I'm possibly tunnelvisioning on you? I'll admit, I've been slightly tunneled on you for a while, but you've grabbed my attention in a fierce way ever since you decided to OMGUS me. Still, I don't feel like I've gotten out of hand, I've been keeping an eye on PG and throwing my support for IB and A Bear. The only thing suggesting my tunnelvision is that I missed Lamp's vote on you. I wouldn't say that I'm ignoring other players, I'm very much receptive to what's going on in this game. At the time I cased you, maybe you had me a bit too distracted, but I wouldn't say that I'm "pretending" by any means. That's a smear and you know it. You may think I'm pretending to have missed something, but I'm beginning to think it's you with the tunnelvision, because you seem to be twisting history as you see fit.
Wrong. What I did and what you did are two completely different things. You threatened to vote for one of the two people who haven't checked in, and only shortly after the game began. That's scummy because you are attacking players who've yet to post, you are attacking low hanging fruit (a scum tactic), you are threatening to vote them (remember, we don't vote lurkers, we ask that they be replaced), and you are doing it all after the RVS ended, so you could have been commenting on things that were actually happening in the game.
I wasn't calling for a vote. I called out several lurkers after several days had passed. I did this in addition to playing the game at hand. I called out both the players that had yet to check in and the players that had checked in a disappeared. I also made the comment that it's highly likely that one of the 6 lurkers I called out is scum. I also have good reasoning for calling out a few individuals.
First, Seppel and Voxx are incredibly strong assets to have on the town side. They are very experienced. If they are town, I want them in this game, and since I have no reason to believe that they aren't, I'm calling the out of lurking. Second, Reya is a player that I believe would lurk as scum. I believe his meta proves this, making it a good reason to call him out.
Finally, I believe that if there is one scum in those 6 and you held a gun to my head and told me to pick the scummy one, I'd choose Reya. But by no means is that a very educated guess. Any one of those players could be scum. None of them could be scum. All of them could be scum. Fact is, we don't know till they start posting more content. While I may have implied that scum lie in that pool of lurkers, I'm not going to point a finger at any specific person because I have absolutely nothing to support that theory. I've got only one lead, the meta lead on Reya, and meta is a shaky thing to trust. Fact is, lurkers aren't meant to be voted, they're meant to be replaced.
Point is, what you did was scummy because of the way you did it. You weren't calling out lurkers. You were threatening non-active players (by non-active I mean hadn't even checked in, different from lurking) with a vote in the early stages of the game as a means to avoid in-game play. I called out the whole lot of lurkers, not with intention of vote but just to call them out, after multiple days, maybe a weeks worth of time so that there's no doubt they lurked while also focusing my attention to in game matters.
I don't know. Lemme read him up real quick.
KK, back. Turns out he hasn't posted for pages, but from what I've read, his logic is sound. He called you out a while back for only quoting half his sentence and you trying to make him look bad for it. He also stayed fairly calm under that pressure, whereas the returned pressure on you didn't go so well. You said you weren't concerned by me and Lamp calling you a "baddie" and Lamp was quick to point out that he said nothing of the sort, just that he voted you. You seem to have overreacted to the pressure on you there.
Wonderful sarcasm. Now put it away, get out your analysis, think hard for a while, and realize that what I did and what Kank did have only one thing in common. We were both talking about players not playing the game. Aside from that, there are no similarities, because the manner with which Kank called out lurkers was incredibly scummy, as I've explained. Also, do the math. 6 lurkers in a game with 23 players, that's 26.08% of the playerbase. There are likely 5-6 scum in the game. That's 21.79% of the playerbase at least. The chances of the whole 6 lurkers being the scum team is low, but the chances of one of those lurkers being scum is very very high.
By all means, though, if your sarcasm hat is that comfy, then overlook my logic and continue to throw politically-fueled jokes around to twist my words. I assure you though, your flashy bit of sarcasm might fill you with some ego-boosting bravado, but it only serves to make you look foolish when you are wrong.
BTW, I've been up all night and am having a fairly annoying day, so if there's just a touch of 'bite me' in the tone of this post, you have my apologies.
I see, you've played mafia before just not on this site, except for one time. I called you a liar because it looked like you were saying that this is only your second game, but in your first game you told them you had five years experience. See what I'm saying?
When I'm reading the player list, I identify names that aren't familiar to me. I play a lot of games and read a lot of games and tend to know if a player has been around much at all. That being said, when I read the player list, I thought that Ferro Man, Raging Levine, Misting, Captain Eddie, LampDwellr, Kank, Tom, Macius, Bolly, A Bear, Stardust, PG and Maokun were all noobs. I recognize only some of those names and that's only because mafia isn't the only part of the forum I read. Furthermore, EtR, Reya, Kahedron, and IB are all newer players, not quite noob anymore, but still figuring out the game. Maybe Kahedron is more experienced that I'm thinking, but he plays very few games from what I've seen. That leaves Seppel, Wrath of Dog, Dork Knight, Wessel and Voxxicus as players that I know have experience playing this game.
I may have jumped to conclusions with who I assumed was a noob and for that I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.
A. Your frustration at non-playing players is fine, we are all frustrated that they aren't playing. However, the solution to that problem is and has always been asking the mod to find a replacement. Voting for a player that's not in the game is a scum strategy. Not only does it let you vote and attack someone who doesn't fight back, but it makes you look like you are providing content to the thread without actually providing anything. That's why I'm calling you scummy.
B. It's good that you are looking for behaviorial patterns, but be careful. There are a lot of behaviorial patterns that town and scum can share. The differences lie in their presentation and the situations in which they are behaving. Finding the behaviorial analysis on a player is like finding the motive for a crime. It's great and all, but the motive isn't going to send them to jail, you still need evidence.
C. Actually, /barn means that you agree with whoever you are barning. When IB /barned Wessel's post about RVS being over, he was simply stating that he agrees with what Wessel said. You can /barn a vote, but not all /barns have something to do with voting.
D. This is the kind of thinking that made me call A Bear obvtown. While I'm inclined to believe you hear, the fact is that you made this comment after I had declared mass=paranoia to be a towntell. There's no way of knowing if your faking it or not. BTW, the jokey "Who's there?" bit at the beginning of this makes me less inclined to believe it.
E. Like I've said before, while I have a problem with your research, it's not what makes you scum to me. Its that you have been hiding behind the research in order to justify you not actually voting anyone in the game. You were using that research to post non-content things and appear useful to the town, your posts were all for appearances. I thought it looked scummy, I disproved the legitimacy of the research and I proceeded to explain my thought process and place my vote. I fail to see how that's predatory in any way, I made a case and made my vote. You OMGUS'd me, proceeded to skew my attack to be more about the research than anything else and have, at the time of this reading, suggested that I'm partnered with Lampdwellr just because we are both voting you, which has kept the terrible "noob-bashing" argument afloat.
F. I think this is the beginning of the ties you are trying to make between me and Lampdwellr. I did think I was first, but it turns out that you are right, he was. However, my vote reasoning and analysis are completely different. I'm already knee-deep in quotes so I really don't wanna go searching for it right now, but Lamp's reasons and my reasons have nothing to do with each other from what I remember.
Secondly, you state later on that you believe Lamp and me to be in league, that we are both scum. Have you done any analysis on Lamp to show that he's had scummy actions on his own, or are you just tying him to me because we both voted you?
Once again, you are putting to much stock into how much stock I'm putting in the research, if that makes sense. The research argument was only a support to show that his justification for his non-content posts was flawed. So, my arguments were as such - Kank is posting non-content, which is scummy, and he says he can justify it, which is scummy too, because there's zero justification for posting non-content that I can think of. Regardless, his justification (the research) is flawed, so justified or not, his non-content is scummy!
I said earlier, in an argument to Kank, that you can have a motive for someones crime, but you also need side evidence. The research argument is my side evidence for the larger "Kank is a no-content posting noob scum" argument I have been trying to make.
Well, first, because damn near three-quarters of this game is full of noobs, at least to me, as I've explained earlier.
Second, I didn't say I was noob-smashing, but if everyone is going to claim that any attack on a newer player is a "smash" attempt, then there's no use in actually playing this game. There are far too many new or newer players that tip-toeing around them isn't going to get us anywhere. I don't think the way I was playing was "smashing", I even attempted to thwart that argument when I initially made my argument against Kank. I've kept the same level of aggression that I would show to anyone else and I don't believe my tactics to be twisted by any means. "GRICKY SMASH" just isn't a thing, and smashing in general is a rather poor argument anyway. At some point, a noob is going to need to be questioned about something. They aren't babies, they're just new mafia players. I've even seen plenty of newer players that stand up mightily against some of the experienced players we have. I see this "noob-smashing" argument as an excuse to coddle the newer players and a hinderence on anyone who actually wants to accomplish an interrogation in this game.
So apparently Lamp was on Kank too. However, twisting that into a "gang-up" seems like you are twisting the argument quite a bit. I have no fear of being coupled with Lamp, it's just that there's nothing to couple. The only thing we share is that we both voted Kank, for different reasons too. And I wasn't the one who brought ganging-up up. I can't remember who was attacking me at the time, I think it was PG, but I believe he mentioned that I was ganging up on Kank, which is why I brought it up.
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So, players I'd like to hear from soon, because hey look, they've disappeared!
Seppel, Reya, Raging Levine, Captain Eddie, Voxx, Macius and I think that's it.
Interesting story, that's 3 men and 3 women. Could it be our scumteam? Doubtful, but worth thinking about. Chances are good that there's at least one scum there.
1. hawt
2. ok but...
3. Why did you lie? What am I supposed to think about that?
lol at 2/2. hawt was for the lulz btw. I have no clue what you look like obv.
First, AB is a noob. His tells are going to be much more obvious than an experienced players. He proves it here over the frustration about walls-o-text. It's not an alignment tell at all, just helps us understand that he's completely new.
Now that it's firmly established that he's new, take a look at the bolded statements. A newer player calling out /barning as a bad habit strikes me as townie because he's preaching something that's generally a well known fact. He goes on to explain why voicing your opinion, even if it's similar to someone else's, is better play. Even though he's spouting well known things to experience mafia players, newer players may not know about these things. So not only is he showing a townie mindset by learning these things early, where scum would rather take advantage of these things, he's also preaching it, which is an incredibly protown move for a player who doesn't know any better.
Top it off with his last section, the second bolded part. He shows mass-paranoia, which is typical of a newer town player. Scum don't show paranoia because they know who they can trust, they know their partners. Noob townies aren't very willing to trust anyone and they let that be known.
At face value, I'm thinking AB is easily town. Unless he's lying about his mafia experience, I'm doubtful that will change.