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Quote from AkKeelerOkay, I can understand that. I'm still confused by a lot of the lists on this thread that seem to be content running 4 sedge sliver with only a single blood crypt as a black mana source. At best you can only regenerate one guy with it, which has to be the sedge sliver whenever removal comes around, otherwise you're in exactly the same place with regard to your board as if you weren't running the sliver at all. you're basically splashing two additional colors in order to run a lord that says, "if this survives to your next turn, draw a card." Unless I can find a better reason to take a lot more damage from my manabase, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Quote from MysticJonNo, I've been thinking the same thing. I don't know if its worth the trouble to run Sedge.
Quote from NotStifflerWouldn't you want that one red creature that can get pumped with Phrexian mana?
Quote from SesorderehtCasting what EoT? Glittering Wish? That's a Sorcery.
Quote from JPoJohnsonI feel like all that does is create a deck that is essentially a weaker version of Merfolk (since it has a more fragile and demanding manabase).
I like the versatility in the various sliver that you can get personally.
Quote from SesorderehtNot sure if anyone else mentioned this yet, but Mirrorweaving your Sinew Sliver (not Predatory Sliver) after blockers have been declared (none hopefully, courtesy of evasion) is pretty brutal if your opponent has a bunch of creatures themselves. You turn all their guys into lords for your guys.
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Is Frenetic Sliver too cute? He basically makes all removal 50% less effective. Including Wrath of God.
Quote from JPoJohnsonSo you're running rainbow slivers, eh? I came on to say Sedge Sliver without a doubt over Adaptive, but I'm not too sure about that anymore since the black splash would be solely for his activated ability to regenerate. I think that you're trying to fit too much of the sliver package into a deck AND try to make it competitive. I think a corner needs to be cut somewhere.
Here is a list of possible places to cut:
1. Sidewinder Sliver is very lacklust since it is basically a sub-optimal lord that only works when blocked. Meh.
2. Phantasmal Image does nothing on its own, especially with the new Legendary rulings. Meh.
3. Adaptive. Dislike. Doesn't add anything beyond a bit of power and I think that pumping up muscles and trying to bash face only works with explosive speed such as with Gruul aggro. I would take the Sedge since that regenerate is house against quite a bit of removal and board wipes that are popular in the format right now.
4. Path is fantastic removal, however you're going to need to figure out if you want to go for a quick early domination or you want to go for the grindy game. If you're going for quick board control and big threats, Lightning is going to seal the deal, if you're not, then it'll be not nearly as useful. I think the removal spells need some tweaking and looking at.
- Sidewinder is bad
- Phantasmal is better in merfolk, lackluster in slivers
- Sedge > Adaptive
- Work out the removal.
Overall though, I think you have a good base to go off of (:
In regards to other lands, I would say probably 8 Fetches would be a good include.
Quote from DOLZeroI really don't think double white is hard by turn 4, especially since 18/23 lands can get white. Wrath seems good, but maybe too slow. This is something I have considered, but I figure the Bolts and Helixs can take care of early game threats, where Wrath can reset the board regardless of how big a Goyf or anything else is. Etched Champion is another big reason why I would use Wrath over burn based sweepers.
Delver and Figure went in as I was pondering what other finishers besides Frost Titan I could run. Nothing else really jumped at me, but I am open to other suggestions. Steppe Lynx could be fun if I dropped a second Flagstones. I run enough fetches to make them worth while too, but at that point I might as well just run a typical URW Delver build.
I could go with basics, and usually try to fit a few in for those Paths that seem to show in every deck with white. Blood Moon isn't a huge threat, as there is only 1 established deck that I know of that runs it (RUG Delver).
Thanks for the input
FYI: Bloodbraid does nothing with Restoration Angel. You have to cast BBE to trigger the cascade, and that doesn't happen as an EtB effect.
Quote from DrWormWhile my deck is not perfect, or even well tuned (I don't spend too much time testing it), I think your assessment of BBE is incorrect. A well tuned and well built deck running BBE will have card quality that is high enough that no matter what you flip you are harming your opponent's board position. Look at Jund- there are some ideal flips, but all others are still good. It is CA and tempo all in one package.