MTG Salvation

Quote from rancored_elf »

"Crew" makes little sense to me. The big Flagship needs "crew 3", which you'd think means it needs 3 crew members.... but nah, it just needs a creature with 3 power in order to fly it. Yeesh.

And oh goodie, we get counters with associated symbols now, that's really useful and won't make the game gimmicky or anything :|

Oh yeah, and we're "creating" creature tokens now. Might as well have made it "birthing" or "popping out". What a mess.

As OathboundOne pointed out, making crew care about the number of creatures makes vehicles only playable in go wide decks. "Gimmicky" is basically shorthand for "it's new and I'm afraid of change", double-faced cards and split cards were also called "gimmicky" when released and now are among the most popular mechanics. I will admit that "create" sounds awkward when talking about living things, but it isn't worst than undying creatures dying.

Quote from Buffsam89 »

How FTV discussions go:

With sets like Exiled/Relics/20-

"Ugh, too many good cards, this will cost too much over MSRP, no thanks"

Sets like Lore-

"Ugh, 2 good cards and a bunch of crap, pass"

It's not our fault that Wizards fails to find a happy medium.

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Just wanted to comment that Steamflogger Boss text isn't thag weird nowadays. Creatures can devour and exploit each other, so riggers assembling contraptions doesn't sound that farfetched.

Quote from Ryperior74 »

So the term "fight with innistrad"

Oh no don't tell me a couple of the mutanted things (eldrazis) went to kaladash, so Brisela (mutated Bruna anf Gisela) went there?

(I heard that one escaped in the story but a rumor.)

"Fights with Innistrad" as his best set. He means that he's not sure if Innistrad or Kaladesh was the better set he designed, not that people from those planes fight between them. As for Brisela, I'm pretty sure that she 1. is dead and 2. can't planeswalk.

It's oficial: "Wizards hates Grixis colors" is the new "This is the worst set ever!"

Wizards colorshifted Fork as Twincast like ten years ago and nobody blinked an eye, now they colorshift Donate and everybody loses their head? Colorshifted reprints never violated the reserved list, this is nothing new.

Quote from Protagorasember »

That and Runo Stromkirk, who costs 2R, and is a 4/4, and has haste, and can turn himself into mist form (can activate shroud), and gives all vamps including himself two +1/+1 counters on damaging players (or on attack if you feel he is still too weak for the 2R). Or just make him 1R. And Shroud

Emrakul's madness has expanted beyond Innistrad and has started affecting the real world O.O

Oh I understand now. Thank you!

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Quote from jackad7 »

People give oblivioned one an awful lot of hate. I have followed him so I get notifications on what he posts and on almost every single post he has made he is immediately ripped on for not having pictures or some other reason. He has provided more credible spoils than most people. If you want my opinion I think he gets the card spoils from somewhere/someone that is a primary source. But I also think that he takes stuff he sees on the internet and posts on it. Odds are his attention is going to his head so he is no making posts about stuff that he honestly doesn't know about but has an educated guess on. Say the U/B jace he found somewhere and thinks that it makes sense so he'll throw it out there. Same with the eldrazi thing, he has plenty of attention and Helen Keller could have seen a ban somewhere in the deck coming. The community has been throbbing over the reserved list for months now especially after the rule on proxies and with the release of Eternal Masters which is not Legacy Masters or Vintage masters suggests something more. He believes that there is a new format coming based on the evidence and decides that because of his popularity in the community he could say something on it. Odds are his post caused an uproar and is what triggered the post from whoever it was saying there is no new format. Personally I'll still trust his card spoils but the vague stuff I'll stay away from.

I wonder if his 'source' for the new format claim is the same source that told him about UB Jace. If so, he should really stop listening to anything that person says lol
I'll continue taking his leaks as more likely than not, since (and correct me if I'm wrong here) his track record is still something like 75-80% correct. I really don't get why he gets so much hate from these forums: he gets dumped on the moment he claims anything, then, as this thread shows, the dumping increases tenfold when he's wrong. Am I just missing the pages and pages of flak that every other leaker gets when they're wrong, or is it really only OO that gets this treatment?
Either way, O-bone, maybe you should take a little break from posting leaks from less than reliable sources.

OO gets that much "hate" not for being wrong but because he's a jerk. He gets mad whenever someone asks for proof of his claims, and tends to do childish things like posting on the thread of an already officially spoiled card "LOL I already knew about this months ago but didn't tell anyone because this forum isn't constantly licking my boots like I deserve for being such a special snowflake".
Also after his initial BFZ leaks every following leak he has made was either obvious ("Eldrazi are getting the banhammer in Modern") or flat out wrong ("this card I stealed from Custom Card Creation is totally on SOI"), so it's quite difficult taking him seriously. As other people have mentioned here, he probably got access to a few BFZ cards by happenstance and then decided to pretend he had inner conections at WotC for attention seeking.

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(All number spreads are unconfirmed guesses.)

Projected Rarity Breakdown

15 Basic Land, 101 Common, 80 Uncommon, 53 Rare, 15 Mythic - Note these numbers are NOT confirmed

Guide:
Bold with link: Officially confirmed English card at that number.
Italics with link: Unconfirmed English card at that number. (Leaks)
Bold, no link: Confirmed card at that number, awaiting English name and/or image.
Italics, no link: Card known to exist, but number unknown.
Entries with a question mark: Wild, rampant, highly irresponsible speculation on my part. The fun stuff!

WWhiteW

C U R M

1 Acrobatic Maneuver C
2 Aerial Responder U
3 Aetherstorm Roc R
4 Angel of Invention M
5 Authority of the Consulate R
6 Aviary Mechanic C
7
8 Captured by the Consulate R (Story Spotlight Card #2 of 5)
9 Cataclysmic Gearhulk M
10 Consulate Surveillance U
11
12
13 Fairgrounds Warden U
14 Fragmentize C
15 Fumigate R
16
17 Glint-Sleeve Artisan C
18
19 Impeccable Timing C
20 Inspired Charge C
21 Master Trinketcrafter R
22
23
24 Propeller Pioneer C
25 Refurbish U
26
27
28
29 Skywhaler's Shot U
30 Tasseled Dromedary C
31 Thriving Ibex C
32 Toolcraft Exemplar R
33
34 Visionary Augmenter U
35 Wispweaver Angel U


U Blue U

C U R M

36
37
38 Aether Tradewinds C
39 Aethersquall Ancient R
40 Ceremonious Rejection U
41
42 Curio Vendor C
43 Disappearing Act U
44 Ensoul Artifact?
45 Era of Innovation U
46 Experimental Aviator U
47
48
49
50 Glint-Nest Crane U
51
52 Insidious Will R
53
54 Long-Finned Skywhale U
55
56 Metallurgic Summonings M
57
58 Nimble Innovator C
59 Padeem, Consul of Innovation R
60 Paradoxical Outcome R
61
62 Saheeli's Artistry R
63
64 Shrewd Negotiation U
65 Tezzeret's Ambition C
66 Thriving Turtle C
67 Torrential Gearhulk M
68
69 Weldfast Wingsmith C
70


B Black B

C U R M

71 Aetherborn Marauder U
72 Ambitious Aetherborn C
73 Demon of Dark Schemes M
74
75
76 Die Young C
77
78 Eliminate The Competition R
79
80 Essence Extraction U
81 Fortuitous Find C
82
83
84 Gonti, Lord of Luxury R
85
86 Lawless Broker C
87 Live Fast C
88 Lost Legacy R
89
90 Marionette Master R
91 Maulfist Squad C
92 Midnight Oil R
93
94 Morbid Curiosity U
95
96 Noxious Gearhulk M
97 Ovalchase Daredevil U
98 Prakhata Club Security C
99
100
101 Syndicate Trafficker R
102 Thriving Rats C
103
104 Underhanded Designs U
105 Weaponcraft Enthusiast U


RRedR

C U R M

106
107 Brazen Scourge U
108
109 Cathartic Reunion C
110 Chandra, Torch of Defiance M
111 Chandra's Pyrohelix C
112 Combustible Gearhulk M
113 Demolish C
114
115 Furious Reprisal U
116
117 Harnessed Lightning U
118
119 Incendiary Sabotage U
120 Inventor's Apprentice U
121 Lathnu Hellion R
122 Madcap Experiment R
123
124 Pia Nalaar R
125
126 Reckless Fireweaver C
127
128 Ruinous Gremlin C
129 Salivating Gremlins C
130 Skyship Stalker R
131 Spark of Creativity U
132 Speedway Fanatic U
133
134
135 Start Your Engines U
136 Territorial Gorger R
137 Terror of the Fairgrounds C
138 Thriving Grubs C
139
140 Welding Sparks C


GGreenG

C U R M

141
142 Arborback Stomper U
143 Architect of the Untamed R
144 Armorcraft Judge U
145 Attune with Aether C
146 Blossoming Defense U
147 Bristling Hydra R
148
149
150 Creeping Corrosion?
151 Cultivator of Blades R
152 Dubious Challenge R
153
154
155
156 Ghirapur Guide U
157 Highspire Artisan C
158
159
160 Larger Than Life C
161 Longtusk Cub U
162
163 Nissa, Vital Force M
164
165 Oviya Pashiri, Sage Lifecrafter R
166
167
168
169
170
171 Thriving Rhino C
172 Verdurous Gearhulk M
173
174 Wildest Dreams R
175


(W/U) Multicolored (B/R)

C U R M

176 Cloudblazer U WU
177 Contraband Kingpin U UB
178 Depala, Pilot Exemplar R WR
179 Dovin Baan M WU
180
181
182
183 Kambal, Consul of Allocation R WB
184 Rashmi, Eternities Crafter M UG
185 Restoration Gearsmith U WB
186 Saheeli Rai M UR
187 Unlicensed Disintegration U BR
188
189 Voltaic Brawler U RG
190 Whirler Virtuoso U UR
191


C Artifacts C

C U R M

192 Aetherflux Reservoir R
193 Aetherworks Marvel M
194 Animation Module R
195 Aradara Express C
196 Ballista Charger U
197
198 Bomat Bazaar Barge U
199 Bomat Courier R
200 Chief of the Foundry U
201 Cogworker's Puzzleknot C
202 Cranial Plating?
203 Cultivator's Caravan R
204 Deadlock Trap?
205 Decoction Module U
206 Demolition Stomper U
207
208 Dynavolt Tower R
209
210 Electrostatic Pummeler R
211 Fabrication Module U
212 Filigree Familiar U
213 Fireforger's Puzzleknot C
214 Fleetwheel Cruiser R
215 Foundry Inspector U
216 Ghirapur Orrery R
217 Glassblower's Puzzleknot C
218 Inventor's Goggles C
219
220 Key to the City R
221 Metalspinner's Puzzleknot C
222 Metalwork Colossus R
223 Multiform Wonder R
224
225 Ovalchase Dragster U
226 Panharmonicon R
227 Perpetual Timepiece U
228
229 Prophetic Prism C
230 Renegade Freighter C
231 Scrapheap Scrounger R
232 Self -Assembler C
233 Sky Skiff C
234 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship M
235 Smuggler's Copter R
236
237 Torch Gauntlet C
238 Voltaic Key? (How bonkers would that be?)
239 Whirlermaker U
240 Woodweaver's Puzzleknot C
241 Workshop Assistant C


0 Lands 0

C U R M

242 Aether Hub U
243 Blooming Marsh R
244 Botanical Sanctum R
245 Concealed Courtyard R
246 Inspiring Vantage R
247 Inventors' Fair R (Story Spotlight Card #1 of 5)
248 Mutavault?
249 Spirebluff Canal R
250 Plains (Avon)
251 Plains (Avon)
252 Plains (Cearley)
253 Island (Han)
254 Island (Han)
255 Island (Voss)
256 Swamp (Paick)
257 Swamp (Paquette)
258 Swamp (Paquette)
259 Mountain (Wright)
260 Mountain (Zana)
261 Mountain (Zana)
262 Forest (Choi)
263 Forest (Choi)
264 Forest (Stone)


Supplemental Product Cards:

265 Chandra, Pyrogenius M
266 Flame Lash C
267 Liberating Combustion R
268 Renegade Firebrand U
269 Stone Quarry C
270 Nissa, Nature's Artisan M
271 Guardian of the Great Conduit U
272 Terrain Elemental C
273 Verdant Crescendo R
274 Woodland Stream C


Tokens:

-Energy Counter
-Beast, 6/6 C
-Construct, X/X C
-Servo, 1/1 C
-Thopter, 1/1 C
-Emblem: Chandra
-Emblem: Dovin
-Emblem: Nissa


Kaladesh Inventions:

1 Cataclysmic Gearhulk
2 Combustible Gearhulk
3 Noxious Gearhulk
4 Torrential Gearhulk
5 Verdurous Gearhulk
6 Aether Vial
7 Champion's Helm
8 Chromatic Lantern
9 Chrome Mox
10 Cloudstone Curio
11 Crucible of Worlds
12 Gauntlet of Power
13 Hangarback Walker
14 Lightning Greaves
15 Lotus Petal
16 Mana Crypt
17 Mana Vault
18 Mind's Eye
19 Mox Opal
20 Painter's Servant
21 Rings Of Brighthearth
22 Scroll Rack
23 Sculpting Steel
24 Sol Ring
25 Solemn Simulacrum
26 Static Orb
27 Steel Overseer
28 Sword Of Feast And Famine
29 Sword Of Fire And Ice
30 Sword Of Light And Shadow

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People are overreacting.
I'm fine with more cards at expedition rarity in the future, as long as

- "on-demand" cards are still reprinted in regular sets if possible
- they thematically fit in the set they're in

and most importantly

- the rarity is exclusively for reprints

Quote from jar75 »

Quote from Avatar »

"Challenge #1: Keeping Standard Accessible

Standard is the most-played Constructed format. It's designed as an entry point for players who wish to play Constructed Magic. Through market research and social media, we learned that many of the players who were interested in playing Standard felt it was something beyond their reach. We had to find ways to address this."

I don't exactly understand that part. How will expeditions make standard more accessible? Let's say that the Mechas become standard staples of tier-1, I don't see how the odds of getting one alternate in every other 144 booster will lower the price of the regular ones?

I was a bit confused by that inclusion as well. I guess the logic is that these chase ultra mythics will mean more people open packs and increase the supply of cards in the wild.

Bingo. We actually saw this already with BFZ.

The fact that these are in packs also means the EV of everything else adjusts a little bit down to compensate for the bloated value of masterpieces.

People are still complaining about bonus/cool cards that don't personally infringe on their gameplay while driving the price down of the set? Cool.

Quote from clan_iraq »

Mythic rare was just a stepping stone eh?
Probably should have seen this coming, it makes sense with their market research

At least these aren't new cards, just reprints(coprints, in the case of the gearhulk).

That Mana Crypt is gorgeous O_O

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Quote from Marquisd »

Is there a "violently dislike" button?

Reminds me of... "Wizards could put $100 bills in packs and people would complain about how they're folded."

I'm quite happy to have super rare cards - if I get one.

People should only be complaining about the Kaladesh Inventions if they want them but don't want to open the packs or spend the money to own them. If that's the case, join the rest of the players who want cards they will likely never own.

These will tank the prices of singles for the rest of the cards in Kaladesh.