I guess then that the follow-up question would be: Give me an example of cards that you think should be banned in a format that are not simply because they are "too big to ban."
Personally, I can only think of one. Show and tell. Card is clearly ridiculous, and just enables too many absurd things. Omniscience, emrakul, and whatever else you might dump with show and tell is fine, because in any other deck it's tough enough to play them that you deserve the win. Hell, even if show and tell wasn't blue, it'd probably be ok, since it'd be a lot tougher to have force of will backup and brainstorm/ponder/ect.
In modern I can't think of anything that deserves the ban hammer.
I'm the kind of person that feels like little of the modern banlist should be banned. that said a card that I feel should get the hammer is Griselbrand which is just Yawgmoth's Bargain that can be cheated into play way easier
I hope you're not of the opinion that lightning bolt or deathrite shaman should be banned.. They're both good cards, but neither does anything broken. You ban bolt, and suddenly you have to look at banning other similarly powerful and similarly pervasive removal cards like path to exile, abrupt decay, and thoughtseize, or utility creatures like dark confidant and snapcaster mage. You do that, and you're looking at a completely different format where you've removed all the best cards... but then something else will replace them. SOMETHING has to be the best at what it does.
Cards shouldn't be banend because they're awesome or everywhere, they should only be banned when they do something completely broken, usually in the context of a combo. This is why most banned cards are either powerful search/tutor cards or specific combo cards. If anything, there are some things that should come OFF the various banned lists, especially in modern, though that's a different discussion.
Pssh, I know better than to think that either card should be banned I was just reaching for examples of cards that are played widely across several archetypes and that was what I came up
Are some cards considered too important to ban in a certain format such as Lightning Bolt, or Deathrite Shaman in modern even if they they take up residence in decks that are a huge portion of the meta?
ok I read through the first few pages and I feel like I have to say something. The fact is most early pagan belief is merely a metaphor for what the people didn't understand look at the myth of pershephone and Hades for an example. and eventually the metaphor became God did it so shut up and quit asking. now having said that I love my Goddess and I was raised to believe that anything in the bible that isn't an obvious metaphor or similie is the factual truth but faith is about more than that its about what you feel I never felt a connection to the Judeo-Chirstian God so the comparison is all subjective anyway. Neo pagans are treated differntly but either as fodder for ridicule or as a curiosity I have a spent a good deal of my life as an agnostic before I found the Mother and I have a number of discussions with the christain I am friends with that began and ended with "you are going to hell" and I did not care to grow in faith that faith must be challenged
tldr; you think what you want Ill think what I want
not really if you run Seething Song and Increasing Vengence for a small five mana investment you end up with fifteen mana from two cards of course it's more consistant to just storm out with empty the warrens than to win with the belcher itself but there you go
Okay, so what's your solution to the "problem" of cost to entry?
Do away with the RL? That ain't happening.
Print a Legacy Masters for the cards that aren't on the RL? That ain't happening either.
Evidence to support my claim?
FoW came out in Alliances which was like 96. It's not on the RL. It could easily be reprinted. It's expensive enough that it almost cries for a reprinting.
So why hasn't it?
Simple. WotC has zero interest in supporting Legacy because they know they can only go so far with an RL that they refuse to even talk about let alone drop.
So there are no solutions. At least not realistic ones.
We can all go on believing that someday the RL will be gone or someday there'll be a Legacy Masters set or even someday they'll just reprint FoW.
I think we have a better chance of hitting the pick 6.
never say never all we need is one head of R+D that loves legacy, that wants to make the change to move back to what made the game great and more importantly to realize that strong spells and creatures could coexist in the same environment.
How does that work? You would have to have the time rifts, which were created by events such as the Sylex Blast and the ringing of the Apocalypse Chime effect the past, which could possibly create time rifts in the future which would mess with the past, which would mess with the future, mess with the past again and continue doing this infinitely. This would cause the destruction of everything in an instant, which we know did not happen.
the time rifts occured at a number of high energy/important events for example the rift that caused the problems on Kamigawa was the result of Nicol Bolas fighting the Demonic Leviathan whose body made up the talon gates in madara.
All the hypothetical money that could possibly be generated from a kickstarter campaign like this is peanuts compared to the money WOTC makes from maintaining constant-churn formats like Standard (and Modern) due to maintaining the reserved list. Why mess with the proven (and obviously more revenue-generating) approach?
uh because Alpha 2 electric boogaloo (and friends) would reintroduce some of the most powerful cards in the game to those constant churn format (if done as a regular set which it probably wouldn't but it's nice to think about) would cause a huge boom in interest in standard and modern and would open up huge new avenues of possiblity in those formats. certain things could be reworked according the new design philosophy (good creatures) and provide many of the changes that older players feel should occur in Standard and create the most fun and powerful standard ever.
The internet attract opinionated people. An internet forum about MTG will attract opinionated MTG players.
True. However, I have encountered this not only online but also in my real life as in being dressed down for twenty minutes about my deck just because I won a match against someone. someone else going on a ridiculus rant about how awful the game is now cardframe is ugly and blah blah blah.... the thread on here was just the impetus for this one. I like seeing what other people think about such things.
For those you don't remember the recent Why do players hate Combo thread was my fault, but in reading it I came to an intresting conclusion. It seems like a lot of players hate the color pie, or the division of what one color can do as opposed to the others i.e. Blue countering spells, Green blowing up artifacts etc. why is this? It's a founding principal of the game that each color is unique and deals with things that others can't thus, incentivizing multicolor and therefore stonger and more versitile decks. Looking at older sets you can see clear division and unique interactions from each individual color but as we move foreward in time all of the colors seem focused on Creatures even colors that traditionally don't care about them much. Why is this the case? Why do wizards and a large amount of the player base want less diversity between colors?
I'm the kind of person that feels like little of the modern banlist should be banned. that said a card that I feel should get the hammer is Griselbrand which is just Yawgmoth's Bargain that can be cheated into play way easier
Pssh, I know better than to think that either card should be banned I was just reaching for examples of cards that are played widely across several archetypes and that was what I came up
tldr; you think what you want Ill think what I want
never say never all we need is one head of R+D that loves legacy, that wants to make the change to move back to what made the game great and more importantly to realize that strong spells and creatures could coexist in the same environment.
the time rifts occured at a number of high energy/important events for example the rift that caused the problems on Kamigawa was the result of Nicol Bolas fighting the Demonic Leviathan whose body made up the talon gates in madara.
uh because Alpha 2 electric boogaloo (and friends) would reintroduce some of the most powerful cards in the game to those constant churn format (if done as a regular set which it probably wouldn't but it's nice to think about) would cause a huge boom in interest in standard and modern and would open up huge new avenues of possiblity in those formats. certain things could be reworked according the new design philosophy (good creatures) and provide many of the changes that older players feel should occur in Standard and create the most fun and powerful standard ever.
True. However, I have encountered this not only online but also in my real life as in being dressed down for twenty minutes about my deck just because I won a match against someone. someone else going on a ridiculus rant about how awful the game is now cardframe is ugly and blah blah blah.... the thread on here was just the impetus for this one. I like seeing what other people think about such things.