We don't have the creature type of the rigger or the Azorius Keyrune yet. I'm personally ok with having them put into the spoiler with everything else though. (Although they should indicate incomplete information.)
Hopefully we will find out the creature types soon.
I've changed my guild to Selesnya for the pre-release after evaluating all of the commons spoiled this morning. I feel like being able to crank out tokens and scavenge onto them is going to be really hard to keep up with.
I've said that from the beginning. I also really like their on-curve beaters at common and their charm is probably the strongest one for limited. My biggest concern after seeing all the cards is the fact that they have too many cards at 6/7/8 mana and not quite enough low cost stuff. If I get good ramp in my pool that might be fine, otherwise I'll have quite a few unplayable cards. (Although the fact that their guild promo lets/makes me run 18 lands will help with that a bit.)
This card is nuts. Easily first-pickable and being widely underestimated by most people here.
Multicolor formats tend to be slow and creatures with splashable costs are even better there because they fit in multiple strategies.
If you are in this card's preferred strategy of Golgari, then you are also quite possibly able to use turn 5 to scavenge counters onto it before swinging. This means you would likely kill multiple creatures on the swing. (+ of course giving all your other dudes unblockable.)
Lure in Golgari colors is fantastic. 2/2s for 4 are not unplayable in slower formats. (Which most multicolor sets are.) 2/2s for 4 which give all your other creatures unblockable win games... And I haven't even touched on the fact that this is an aura buff once it hits the graveyard as well.
I think it's cute that the article author expects a lot of control vs control mirror that Sphinx's Revelation will "break open"... Because standard is ALL about control vs control mirrors...
I agree with the assessment that it will often act like a 6/6 vanilla which can't block... And gets a +1/+1 counter whenever it is chump blocked, and cannot be blocked by more than one non-flying creature.
So there is that. However, a 6/6 for 4 in black is pretty good and might see play. Either way, it's rather hard to argue that this is worse than Juzam unless you are seriously playing Juzam because you need blockers.
Is Suffocating Blast just bad? It seems to me that a Cancel stapled to a Lightning Bolt for the cost of those cards would be playable. A couple of cubes use it, but Nof doesn't even have testing data on it.
I feel like the mana cost might be too high for a counterspell, but otherwise it's a pretty exciting card.
It seems to me that her ability will play as "RB: Target attacking creature you control gets +1+1 until the end of combat." 99% of the time. In a few rare circumstances against instant speed burn, a deathtouch blocker, or some weird reason where you need to burn them post-combat it could play slightly differently. The rest of the time it's just a simple linear creature pump that only works with attackers.
This seems far better than Juzam. Worst case scenario for this guy is that he's a 6/6 on the ground that you can't equip or enchant. (Them sacrificing a creature of their choice each turn is equivalent to chumping.)
If they ever run out of expendable chump blockers, he is immediately far better than Juzam. And Juzam should be equally bad in situations where they have chumpers.
Why are people in this thread discussing the constructed playability of limited fodder? It's a fine limited card. We have no idea how good until we see the quantity of playable 2/2s and 3/3s though.
I don't think the gates will see play in standard on their own, but I do think it's plausible for some kind of synergies to develop that allow them to see marginal play. For example, the card that can search basics or gates is very strong at 1G. It is basically a Borderland Ranger for one less mana at the cost of -2/-0 and Defender. If you are playing that anyway, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have an on-color gate for it to fetch. Especially if you are in 3-4 colors.
Also, Battle of the Wits probably plays the gates just because they like all the dual lands they can get. (And 5-color Battle of the Wits should easily be a thing with this many duals.)
I think Spiritmonger, Putrefy, and Putrid Leech are the easiest cuts there. And I really feel bad cutting any of those. B/G is now officially stacked in cube.
I could see an argument being made for Axebane Guardian. We don't know much of the format yet but it seems like you could go 5 colors easily with this and Gatecreeper Vine + Gates.
This is exactly my thought. It seems like a strong way to start a draft. IRL I would obviously take the shockland for the money. Even without the money though, the shockland is probably my second choice because of how important mana fixing tends to be in multicolor sets.
No,debating on if its a legitimate counter to Terminus in a b/g self mill or zombie deck.
It's not a legitimate counter to anything. It's not playable in a Black/Green Zombie or Self-Mill deck. It's not playable anywhere. I do not like green eggs and ham.
It's kind of sobering to actually post my stats. I thought I was like the best mafia player ever with 90% win rates, especially after the broken set-ups were removed. I guess I was wrong.
Hopefully we will find out the creature types soon.
I've said that from the beginning. I also really like their on-curve beaters at common and their charm is probably the strongest one for limited. My biggest concern after seeing all the cards is the fact that they have too many cards at 6/7/8 mana and not quite enough low cost stuff. If I get good ramp in my pool that might be fine, otherwise I'll have quite a few unplayable cards. (Although the fact that their guild promo lets/makes me run 18 lands will help with that a bit.)
Multicolor formats tend to be slow and creatures with splashable costs are even better there because they fit in multiple strategies.
If you are in this card's preferred strategy of Golgari, then you are also quite possibly able to use turn 5 to scavenge counters onto it before swinging. This means you would likely kill multiple creatures on the swing. (+ of course giving all your other dudes unblockable.)
Lure in Golgari colors is fantastic. 2/2s for 4 are not unplayable in slower formats. (Which most multicolor sets are.) 2/2s for 4 which give all your other creatures unblockable win games... And I haven't even touched on the fact that this is an aura buff once it hits the graveyard as well.
So there is that. However, a 6/6 for 4 in black is pretty good and might see play. Either way, it's rather hard to argue that this is worse than Juzam unless you are seriously playing Juzam because you need blockers.
I feel like the mana cost might be too high for a counterspell, but otherwise it's a pretty exciting card.
If they ever run out of expendable chump blockers, he is immediately far better than Juzam. And Juzam should be equally bad in situations where they have chumpers.
Also, Battle of the Wits probably plays the gates just because they like all the dual lands they can get. (And 5-color Battle of the Wits should easily be a thing with this many duals.)
This is exactly my thought. It seems like a strong way to start a draft. IRL I would obviously take the shockland for the money. Even without the money though, the shockland is probably my second choice because of how important mana fixing tends to be in multicolor sets.
Lol! Maybe in the first few drafts of the format. Do NOT expect good mana fixing to wheel in a multi-color set.
It's not a legitimate counter to anything. It's not playable in a Black/Green Zombie or Self-Mill deck. It's not playable anywhere. I do not like green eggs and ham.