To Clarify: I am looking for suggestions/advice regarding both manabase and overall deck construction, One card I am not sure about is Stormtide Leviathan what should I replace it with?
This is the best I've come up with so far not too powerful, not too weak, and before I start to acquire all the cards I thought I'd see what the community thinks I could change/add/improove.
count: 61 cards
I'm thinking about adding a Trading Post for life gain and recursion and replacing Staff of Nin and Erebos, God of the Dead with Yawgmoth's Bargain.
However, I'm not so sure because while Erebos is a two mana greed which is bad because I want to spend my mana on Pestilence, he is also a threat, a creature for pestilence, and provides marginal value by preventing them from gaining life which is great value for one card.
While Bargain is undenyably powerful, it does paint a target on my head as well as limit my outs when I am at low life, I also don't want to play Necro, just because I know that my playgroup would give me flack about it.
If I end up adding Bargain I might also want to add Corrupt or some other siphon effect like Subversion so that I can get more draws.
I though of this idea a while ago however, I haven't given it much thought up until now. I want to make a group slug deck with a main theme of forcing my opponents to shuffle their decks many times. For a commander I'm thinking of either Ink-Treader Nephilim (if my group allows it) or else some five color commander, probably AtogAtog or something silly.
The problem is that there are soo many cards that cause shuffling, i'm unsure what my best options would be, therefore i'm taking suggestions.
Thx.
I played the deck for awhile in a casual setting, and decided that I didn't need Gaea's Blessing and that I almost never used Forbid, so I replaced them with more gifts cards, specifically Mystic Retrival and Runic Repetition. I also added more removal in the form of Mizzium Mortars
Enlightened Tutor
Stoneforge Mystic
Stonehewer Giant
1 Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Artifacts
1 Azorius Signet
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Crawlspace
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Dimir Signet
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Library of Leng
1 Mind Stone
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Sol Ring
1 Staff of Nin
1 Sword of the Meek
1 Thopter Foundry
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Time Sieve
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trading Post
1 Well of Lost Dreams
1 Worn Powerstone
Creatures
1 Heliod, God of the Sun
1 Magister Sphinx
1 Myojin of Night's Reach
1 Notion Thief
1 Treasure Mage
1 Trinket Mage
Enchantments
1 Banishing Light
1 Blind Obedience
1 Future Sight
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Leyline of Anticipation
1 Mind Unbound
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Propaganda
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Fated Retribution
1 Forbid
1 Hinder
1 Mortify
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Oblation
1 Reckless Spite
1 Render Silent
1 Return to Dust
1 Silence the Believers
1 Shpinx's Revelation
Sorceries
1 Ashes to Ashes
1 Debt to the Debtless
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Fabricate
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Merciless Eviction
1 Praetor's Grasp
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Terminus
1 Toxic Deluge
Lands
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Boreal Shelf
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Calciform Pools
1 Command Tower
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Dimir Guildgate
1 Dreadship Reef
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Frost Marsh
1 Jwar Isle Refuge
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Orzhov Guildgate
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Sejiri Refuge
4 Snow-Covered Island
4 Snow-Covered Plains
3 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Tainted Field
1 Tainted Isle
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vivid Creek
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
Combo/Synergies
Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek + Time Sieve
Well of Lost Dreams + Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers
Heliod, God of the Sun + Sphere of Safety
Here is a list of cards I was considering but was not sure on:
Sepulchral Primordial
Diluvian Primordial
Amulet of Vigor
Collective Restraint
Jace Beleren
Blue Sun's Zenith
If you have any recommendations/criticism leave a reply
1 Oloro, Ageless Ascetic
Artifacts (15)
1 Azorius Signet
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Crawlspace
1 Dimir Signet
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Library of Leng
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Orzhov signet
1 Sol ring
1 Staff of Nin
1 Sun Droplet
1 Sword of the Meek
1 thopter Foundry
1 Trading Post
1 Well of Lost Dreams
Creatures (18)
1 AEtherling
1 Aeon Chronicler
1 Divinity of Pride
1 Drogskol Reaver
1 Heliod, God of the Sun
1 Magister Sphinx
1 Myojin of Night's Reach
1 Myr Battlesphere
1 Notion Thief
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Sharding Sphinx
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Steel Hellkite
1 Stormtide Leviathan
1 Thopter Assembly
1 Treasure Mage
1 Trinket Mage
1 Vizkopa Guildmage
1 Banishing Light
1 Collective Restraint
1 Cradle of Vitality
1 Detention Sphere
1 Future Sight
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Greed
1 Luminarch Ascension
1 Mind Unbound
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Propaganda
1 Solitary Confinement
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Words of Worship
Instant(4)
1 Forbid
1 Hinder
1 Return to Dust
1 Spell Crumple
Sorcery (11)
1 Debt to the Debtless
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Fabricate
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Merciless Eviction
1 Plea for Guidance
1 Praetor's Grasp
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Terminus
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Wrath of God
Lands (37)
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Boreal Shelf
1 Calciform Pools
1 Coastal Tower
1 Command Tower
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Dimir Guildgate
1 Dreadship Reef
1 Dromar's Cavern
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Frost Marsh
1 Jwar Isle Refuge
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Orzhov Guildgate
1 Rupture Spire
1 Salt marsh
1 Sejiri Refuge
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vivid Creek
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
4x Island
4x Plains
4x Swamp
This is the best I've come up with so far not too powerful, not too weak, and before I start to acquire all the cards I thought I'd see what the community thinks I could change/add/improove.
New List:
1x Journeyer's Kite
1x Meekstone
1x Staff of Nin
1x Urza's Armor
4x Wayfarer's Bauble
4x Phylactery Lich
4x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1x Erebos, God of the Dead
Enchantment
4x Last Laugh
4x Pestilence
4x Withering Wisps
4x Tendrils of Corruption
Land
24x Snow-Covered Swamp
Sorcery
4x Beseech the Queen
count: 61 cards
I'm thinking about adding a Trading Post for life gain and recursion and replacing Staff of Nin and Erebos, God of the Dead with Yawgmoth's Bargain.
However, I'm not so sure because while Erebos is a two mana greed which is bad because I want to spend my mana on Pestilence, he is also a threat, a creature for pestilence, and provides marginal value by preventing them from gaining life which is great value for one card.
While Bargain is undenyably powerful, it does paint a target on my head as well as limit my outs when I am at low life, I also don't want to play Necro, just because I know that my playgroup would give me flack about it.
If I end up adding Bargain I might also want to add Corrupt or some other siphon effect like Subversion so that I can get more draws.
1x Journeyer's Kite
1x Meekstone
1x Staff of Nin
4x Sun Droplet
1x Urza's Armor
4x Wayfarer's Bauble
4x Phylactery Lich
1x Erebos, God of the Dead
Enchantment
4x Last Laugh
4x Pestilence
4x Withering Wisps
4x Tendrils of Corruption
Land
24x Snow-Covered Swamp
Sorcery
4x Beseech the Queen
4x Exsanguinate
current count is 65 cards, not sure what to cut...
The problem is that there are soo many cards that cause shuffling, i'm unsure what my best options would be, therefore i'm taking suggestions.
Thx.
I also changed some of the cards around
-1 Catastrophe
-1 Boom // Bust
-1 Armageddon
-1 Nature's Lore
-1 City of Solitude
+1 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
+1 Scourge of the Nobilis
+1 Faith's Fetters
+1 Explosive Vegetation
+1 Madcap Skills
I am also considering Assemble the Legion as an alternative win con. However, I am unsure as to what to cut.
Here is my list:
1 Uril, the Miststalker
Artifacts
1 Boros Signet
1 Gruul Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Torpor Orb
Creatures
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Tajuru Preserver
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
1 Umbra Mystic
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Wall of Omens
Enchantments (non buff)
1 Aggravated Assault
1 Arrest
1 Aura of Silence
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Fires of Yavimaya
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Prison Term
1 Trace of Abundance
1 Triumph of Ferocity
Enchantments (buff)
1 Ancestral Mask
1 Angelic Destiny
1 Armadillo Cloak
1 Asha's Favor
1 Battle Mastery
1 Bear Umbra
1 Blessing of the Nephilim
1 Ethereal Armor
1 Flickerform
1 Gaea's Embrace
1 Heyena Umbra
1 Keen sense
1 Madcap Skills
1 Rancor
1 Runes of the Deus
1 Scourge of the Nobilis
1 Shield of the Oversoul
1 Snake Umbra
1 Spider Umbra
1 Spirit Mantle
1 Unflinching Courage
1 Unquestioned Authority
1 Beast Within
1 Condemn
1 Harrow
1 Hunter's Insight
1 Naya Charm
1 Oblation
1 Wear // Tear
Sorcery
1 Cataclysm
1 Cultivate
1 Decree of Annihilation
1 Divine Reckoning
1 Edge of Autumn
1 Explosive Vegetation
1 Farseek
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Rampant Growth
1 Razia's Purification
1 Search for Tomorrow
1 Vandalblast
1 Winds of Rath
Plansewalkers
1 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Lands
1 Arctic Flats
1 Boros Garrison
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Contested Cliffs
1 Elfhame Palace
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Grasslands
1 Graypelt Refuge
1 Gruul Guildgate
1 Gruul Turf
1 Highland Weld
1 Jungle Shrine
1 Kazandu Refuge
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Krosan Verge
1 Selesnya Guildgate
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Shivan Oasis
1 Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Vivid Crag
1 Vivid Grove
1 Vivid Meadow
4 Forests
5 Plains
4 Mountains
I'm looking for more budget cards that would improve my deck, however I tend to want a lower curve, and I don't want to run too many creatures.
Another note, while my playgroup allows counterspells, nobody will play blue anymore because people started running Choke and Boil...
EDIT: I would also recommend Sylvan Safekeeper and Geist of Saint Thraft
-1 Gaea's Blessing
-2 Forbid
+1 Mizzium Mortars
+1 Mystic Retrieval
+1 Runic Repetition
Updated Decklist
2 Burning Vengeance
4 Rites of Flourishing
2 Secrets of the Dead
Instants (17)
1 Constant Mists
4 Desperate Ravings
4 Gifts Ungiven
2 Izzet charm
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Oona's Grace
2 Think Twice
4 Cultivate
1 Flame Jab
1 Life from the Loam
1 Mizzium mortars
1 Mystic Retrieval
2 Rolling Temblor
1 Runic Repetition
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Terramorphic Expanse
4 Forest
6 Island
6 Mountain
To get the necessary mana I added Cultivate and Rites of Flourishing.
For protection I added Constant Mists, Forbid, Izzet Charm, Lightning Bolt, and Rolling Temblor.
I added Gaea's Blessing so that I dont get milled and to prevent from decking myself
Finally to smooth out my draws I added Oona's Grace, Think twice, and Desperate Ravings.
2 Burning Vengeance
4 Rites of Flourishing
2 Secrets of the Dead
Instants (19)
1 Constant Mists
4 Desperate Ravings
2 Forbid
4 Gifts Ungiven
2 Izzet charm
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Oona's Grace
2 Think Twice
4 Cultivate
1 Flame Jab
1 Gaea's Blessing
1 Life from the Loam
2 Rolling Temblor
Land (24)
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Terramorphic Expanse
4 Forest
6 Island
6 Mountain
Feedback and Suggestions would be appreciated.