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    posted a message on [Variant] Esper Control
    So my FNM tonight is win-a-box in a field of heavy agro and some jund. I think there is going to be one other esper player, a BW tokens player, and a couple bants. I decided to build esper because I don't want to run agro in a field of people who are going to be prepared with agro hate (every week is an agro fest).

    I looked at the list Ben Stark ran and really liked it. I'm going to explain my choices for all the matchups I have tested and ask for your opinions on sideboarding .

    EDIT: Lingering Souls isn't in this list. That card is horrrrrrible for us without sorins, pumps, or some other use (sacrificing)

    THE DECK

    Jund

    Jund used to be a horrible matchup for me. Having to deal with Lili and Garruk was too much for the deck to handle. However, the introduction of planar cleansing (some people were already aware, I was not, so thank you Mr. Stark) has completely changed the matchup for me. G1 I've gone 15-0 against my friend's Jund list.

    MB
    -3 Restoration Angel
    -2 Snapcaster Mage
    -1 Think Twice

    SB
    +2 Angel of Serenity
    +2 Negate
    +2 Witchbane Orb

    The problem with the matchup comes post-board. It goes from a total blowout in my favor to 60-40 in his favor. Until I decided to start siding out restoration angel in the matchup I think it was more like 80-20. His sideboard has 11 cards dedicated to anti-control because he's extremely confident in his agro matchup. He's bringing in 3 slaughter games, 3 Deathrite Shamans, 2 duress, 1 sundering growth, another lili (bringing his total to 3) and one other thing I can't remember. He can afford it, too, because he doesn't need any more than barebones removal in the form of 2 bonfires he leaves in. I feel helpless against a T3 (TURN 3!!! Farseek QQ) Slaughter Games. He's smart so he doesn't name Sphinx's Rev, he names Planar Cleansing and destroys me. I need help finding a way other than coin flipping to turn this match into at least a 50-50. Am I boarding wrong?

    Naya/Jund Agro and Mono Red

    G1 is about 40/60 in their favor. I'm not entirely suprised, but it does suck a little. I don't think there's much I can do to change these matchups pre-board.

    MB
    -1 Planar Cleansing
    -2 Dissipate
    -1 Ghost Quarter

    SB
    +4 Terminus

    Post-board I feel much more confident, maybe 60-40 in my favor. Even moreso against mono-red. Mono-red is just too slow, and I'd be ecstatic to face a field of mono-red. Having 8 sweeps and the small amount of removal/creatures I can use as stall until revs is amazing for me. I've only tested about 20 matches post-board against Naya/Jund/Mono-red lists combined, though, so I could be wrong. Input is always appreciated.

    B/W or Esper Tokens

    You want to talk about a bad matchup? Pre-board is 90-10 for them in my testing. 10 G1s tested and I've won a single time. ONE TIME. The lists I've tested against just abandon their agro matchup to completely crush any control decks they might face. I'm talking mainboard duresses, 4 murders, l souls and doomed travelers out the ass.

    MB
    -1 Planar Cleansing
    -1 Ultimate Price
    -2 Devour Flesh

    SB
    +4 Terminus

    Post-board I've won 2 out of ten matches, so a 100% increase in effectiveness! It's just disgustingly bad. I'm running 9 board wipes in the main and still getting absolutely dominated. What it gives up in the speed department agro lists have, it gains in resilience to board wipes. Ghost quarter stays in to hit Vaults and moorland haunts. Then there's the 2 obzedats who can finish out the game. My question here is, do I bring in Rest in Peace? I don't mind siding out the final planar cleansing (left in to hit their enchantments). I just don't know what to do here. Thankfully I only know of a single player who is crazy enough to run this list in our meta (my Jund tester's wife).

    Bant Control/Wolf-Run

    Game ones are generally 70-30 for me. Drownyards are dominant and unless I can't find an answer to a resolved Tamiyo (if they're running her) I generally win with them having a life total of around 40-50.

    MB
    -3 Restoration Angel
    -2 Jace, Architect of Thought
    -1 Ultimate Price
    -1 Supreme Verdict
    -1 Azorius Charm

    SB
    +2 Angel of Serenity
    +2 Negate
    +1 Dispel
    +1 Psychic Spiral
    +2 Jace, Memory Adept

    Post-board feels very close to 50-50. Might be 55-45. I have witchbanes, my own jaces, planar cleansing, and psychic spiral as reactive answers to their landed Jace (farseek means a consistently earlier Jace than mine). However, they also bring in Geist which can end things quickly if I don't have a devour or sweep ready. I side out ghost quarter against lists that aren't wolf-run and leave in the supreme verdict. Against more bant midrangey decks where I don't see counterspells G1 I don't side in dispel and leave in the supreme verdict. I don't know if there's too much advice anyone can offer on dealing with this matchup other than having to play extremely tight. Mistakes are so killer in this matchup.

    Esper Control

    Ah, the mirror. What a blast. Thankfully there's only one other esper player at my shop. He runs 4 nephs and drops the ghost quarter which I think is a mistake in our meta, but it does give him an edge in our matchup. He's also running 4 sphinx's 4 think twices instead of 3 of both and 2 Jaces (a decision I made as a concession to how heavily agro our meta is). I'd still say it's only 45-55 in his favor, though.

    MB
    -3 Restoration Angel
    -1 Cyclonic Rift
    -1 Ultimate Price
    -1 Jace, Architect of Thought
    -2 Supreme Verdict

    SB
    +2 Witchbane Orb
    +2 Negate
    +1 Dispel
    +1 Psychic Spiral
    +2 Jace, Memory Adept

    Post-board I'm leaving in a couple supreme verdicts and the devour fleshes against geist plays. The planar cleansings also incidentally hit them as well as any nephalia hate/planeswalkers he will bring in so they stay. Post it's closer to 50-50 b/c I have more jaces than him (3 to 2) to win the Jace war which is more important than the nephalia war, in my opinion. He also doesn't run Psychic Spiral, which gives me 3 opportunities to come out on top of a Jace war I'm losing (2 snappy draws with spiral in the gyard, and actually drawing the thing).

    Reanimator

    A deck I haven't seen, but I've heard some people saying they wanted to run it, so I prepared a little. Matchup G1 seems bad. We don't care about infinite life, so their combo is almost useless. A tucked glorius value can be serious trouble for our board wipes, though. Our mill also happens to further their plan... a lot. Cyclonic rift is hilarious in the matchup, though. Bouncing their fiend hunter and permanently exiling the angel is good ****. Also bouncing the angel to their hand can work if they aren't going for the tuck.

    MB
    -3 Restoration Angel
    -2 Devour Flesh
    -1 Think Twice
    -1 Ghost Quarter
    SB
    +2 Negate
    +1 Rest in Peace
    +4 Terminus

    Ten sweeps main and 4 that can actually just make the reanimator player scoop (terminus) are amazing. Ghost quarter hits nothing so comes out, our creatures are useless if they aren't an answer (snappy) or digging for us (augur) so restos are out even though you CAN blink your guys. That's cute, but not as useful as straight dig offered by our other spells. Devours are bad. Ultimate stays in b/c it can kill both fiend hunter and angel while the triggers are on the stack. Post-board it feels like how fast the reanimator player gets there is a very large factor in how this match plays out. Stall until rest in peace, though, and it's ggs. Anything that comes back with haste is stupid amounts of bad for us, though. Time to mise a terminus off think twice or azo charm :/


    UWR Reckoning

    The matchup I haven't tested. I feel horrible for doing this, but I've never seen a player running American colors at my LGS. I could be making a horrible meta call here by just not preparing for the matchup, though. Should I run into one I imagine my changes will look like...

    MB
    -1 Cyclonic Rift
    -1 Ultimate Price
    -2 Planar Cleansing
    -2 Jace, Architect of Thought
    -1 Ghost Quarter

    SB
    +2 Witchbane Orb
    +2 Jace, Memory Adept
    +2 Negate
    +1 Dispel

    Please share any thoughts you might have. I hope my reasoning isn't too unsound and helps anyone else thinking about running a list similar to this with their sideboarding decisions. Anything I've said that is just straight bad feel free to call out. Thank you!

    Double Edit: I didn't test against Aristocrats, either. This was a mistake, don't know why it just hit me. If I face them I'm going to be in a lot of trouble. Terminus is a must, planar is too slow, dealing with falkenrath is going to be really hard. Azo charm > drownyard ftw? :S
    Posted in: Esper Control
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    posted a message on Modern Masters - City of Brass
    Quote from leslak
    yeah one of the problems with competitive formats is that players run pre-made lists and usualy don't change any thing .
    Like when jund start using Lingering Souls every one included it.
    When someone won using Thundermaw Hellkite and lotus cobra almost every jund player again included it.
    its like people just play pre-made lists and don't have the ability to make new decks


    Is this really a problem? Some magic players derive enjoyment from piloting. Some enjoy brewing. Some enjoy both. You sound bitter. Stay salty, bro.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on [Primer] Junk Tokens
    Quote from FearThyKnife
    Hey, I ran a BW Tokens list to a 4-0 finish against multiple SCG netdecks in a local 43 man FNM. Would you guys be interested in a tournament report even though it's not Junk? The deck outperformed Jund Midrange and Azorious Aggro and I really think I'm on to something. No B/W Tokens threads around figured I'd share somewhere.. Maybe next week for more results...


    I don't see why you wouldn't just post it in a spoiler or something. Seems like a waste of time to just post something like this and wait on a response. But yes, I'm interested.

    Anyways, been really torn between Esper and Junk tokens, but in my testing the jace I pick up in Esper isn't as good as old thraggy boy in junk just b/c of agro (which my LGS has enough of that I have to main against it)
    Posted in: Standard Archives
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