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  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    Oh gods, I hope the people worrying about Guardians of Meletis didn't ready today's Uncharted Realms. Naked people. For shame. How will we explain it to the children?
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    Quote from Xcric
    and kids are already exposed to gays in the media everywhere. so why do people think they have to take it on themselves to explain it to the few closet cases where an 8 year old hasn't... left their house or turned on a television ever.


    And just think how I will feel when I have to explain to my kids that some children aren't lucky enough to have two dads (and a biological mom!). I'm sure it will be disheartening to them to hear about the misfortune of the children of straight couples, but I think they'll get over it.

    And you play a game rated 13 and up. Because there is violence. There are people being beheaded. People being impaled with spears. People being struck by lightning and stabbed in the back. Death, murder, chaos, dismemberment. A loving, consensual relationship between two adults? That's a cake walk. "They love each other just like mommy and daddy." Done. Bang boom, simple.

    Beyond that, LGBT people are certainly underrepresented given their percentage of the population, because the media markets directly to straight white males, not the Velvet Mafia you seem to think controls everything.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    Quote from biarg777
    I'm just going to say that, I saw this, was like, "oh, okay," and moved on? I read every flavor text I see, just because I like it, and I read this, and didn't care. Why does this matter? This is a card game. Played in game stores. Why are more recent posts getting more and more agitated? This isn't a big deal. Nobody should've seen this and gone, "OH YEAH THIS IS AMAZING MY FAVORITE CARD GAME'S COMPANY IS INSTITUTING SOCIAL JUSTICE EHBRBRBRBRRR," and an equally negative reaction shouldn't have been present either. This isn't a triumph. This is, in all honesty, an acknowledgement that ancient Greco-Roman culture involved a lot of sodomy.


    No one said what you strawmanned into existence, there. This card, and cards like it, matter because representation in media is extremely important to and for minority groups.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    Quote from BurningPaladin
    What would you say to a store owner in Russia who is facing down fines and possibly jail time, because of this?


    Nothing, because that person doesn't exist.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    What's hilarious to me are all these people claiming that inclusion of a gay (minor) plot is "political" on Wizards part. And inclusion of gay people has to be "political." Straight relationships such as Anax and Cymede? Not political. Anax and Cymede don't make you discuss straight sex with your children, why should Guardians of Meletis make you discuss gay sex with them?

    Representation of minorities is so abhorrent? Really? In a game where you can turn a god into a pig? Trust me, you've got bigger things to explain.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on Guardians of Meletis is Magic's first reference to homosexuality.
    I am the person who asked Doug about the Guardians, and I've previously asked him if Magic would ever see a gay couple. It's absolutely amazing to see LGBT representation in this set, especially alongside so many great female and non-white characters.

    Quote from bLatch
    Wizards of the coast is a company out to make a profit, not a charity out to push social agendas. Don't criticize them for not going far enough to push a social agenda you agree with. Support them for pushing it at all.


    As a person that Wizard's profits off of, I would hope they would care about my opinion.

    this matters to me not at all. it should matter to everyone else not at all. we do more harm than good by celebrating it, or admonishing it, rather than just accepting it, like the sky being blue. no one should care. this is true for a lot of things though. people get way too caught up in other people's business when it has no bearing on their own life.


    Visibility for minorities (racial, gender, etc.) is extremely important. Extremely.

    First, whether intentionally or unintentionally, both the news and the entertainment media 'teach" the public about minorities, other ethnic groups and societal groups, such as women, gays, and the elderly. Second, this mass media curriculum has a particularly powerful educational impact on people who have little or no direct contact with members of the groups being treated.
    (source)

    Positive representation (such as Guardians of Meletis in the case of gay people, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver in the case of non-binary people, Elspeth in the case of women, etc.) has a huge impact on how society views these minorities.

    From a business standpoint, Guardians will see little play but will be dearly beloved by a subset of the community, making them more loyal consumers. People who believe homosexuality is wrong (an ever decreasing percentage of the population, mind you) are likely to never come in contact with the card at all or even recognize what it is.

    From a moral standpoint, it's about damn time. And, trust me, this card won't be any harder to explain to your twelve year-old than Hunt the Hunter which displays very gratuitous violence instead of two statues guarding a city.
    Posted in: Debate
  • posted a message on [[BaseSpec]] Theros will have an artifact that will be akin to Pandora's Box
    We've already had a Pandora's Box card. I expect that story to remain absent.
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
  • posted a message on [New Info] [Update 2/13/2014: Announced!] Magic: The Gathering - Conspiracy
    Maybe Theros->Born from Gods->Journey into Nix->Conspiracy?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[BaseSpec]] Theros - Demeter ?
    While done by a magic artist who had access to the Theros style guide, this is not likely art for the set. SCG often commissions MTG artists to create playmats that follow the theme of the upcoming block.

    [Edit: See a similar thread here.]
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on [BNG/RTR] Expansion Symbols Suggest Born of the Gods Connection to Ravnica?
    You forget that Avacyn's Collar also has a hole in the center. Avacyn Restored and Return to Ravnica? Are they connected?!
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on [[BaseSpec]] Plane of Huey-Leuy-Dewy?
    I don't believe the New-Returning-New-Returning is a set pattern. More likely, I bet we'll visit a plane we've heard about but haven't seen in-block yet. Shandalar is on my list. MaRo even recently asked about it.

    Blood-Sweat-Tears I would peg as a Return to Zendikar and the next block as a new anti-Alara plane that focuses on Wedges instead of Shards. That would give us 3 blocks (Theros-Huey-Blood) between multicolor sets, which is what they seem to be aiming for.
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
  • posted a message on You Make the Card 4 (YMTC4) - Name Submissions Time
    I submitted Postmortem Evulsion. Evulsion, "violent or forcible extraction," has yet to appear on a black card and I rather like the word.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Full art theros basics?
    No, we are not getting full art basic lands. (Until we do.)

    Stop making this post.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Firearms, automotives, and other real world elements
    The problem with guns is that, due to planeswalkers, guns on one plane make them available to every plane and greatly restrict the flavor available. It's best not to open those floodgates again.

    Quote from Valarin
    No shortage? They've already reached the bottom of the originality/creative barrel. All they do nowadays is recycling old cliches and slap them on MTG cars. Have been for a while.


    Yes, they have. Literally since the beginning of Magic. Do you post this in every thread?



    The "gun" on gather is actually a miniature crossbow (they appear in a few other arts, but the cards slip my mind at the moment).Think of them as portable stake-throwers.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [THS] Possible Ideas for Theros Duals
    Quote from notgreat
    While they've done it in the past, WotC doesn't want to print lands that are strictly better than basic lands in any way. These are all strictly better if used as 1-ofs, so they probably won't print them.

    My personal guess is doing the Nimbus Maze cycle, but who knows?


    Since the OP's proposed land is neither basic nor has the basic land types, it is not strictly better.

    That being said, I expect River of Tears cycle to be more likely.
    Posted in: Speculation
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