Why isn't Bob the target of much Jund banning debate? He seems like a really good choice to ban because he isn't artificially making the deck slower or less consistent (like banning fetches would), he's just straight up slowing Jund down. Card advantage that gives Jund access to the answer they need as early as possible is one of the major factors in the deck's success. It's midrange that has the ability to answer very early and sustain late game as well. Removing bob doesn't change how the deck functions but just slows it down and they will need to look for other ways to speed it back up.
As far as I can see, people don't like talking about it because it's a 40 dollar card. However, I think it's the best ban target that doesn't destroy Jund but definitely knocks it down to a more balanced level.
Because bob is a sacred cow of wotc. Just like goyf. Both cards are beyond the power level of modern, but both are probably in modern masters.
while I am not high on the card as are others i think it is mostly a fine card for the format. I personally like cards that "artificially" increase the number of counterspells that I run because they don't necessary have to be counterspells.
While its not a great comparison the idea is like cryptic command. I don't count it towards my counter quota because it won't always be a counterspell, but it sometimes is.
That being said it will probably be a 1-2 of in my esper control deck post GTC. Essentially you run a lot of flashback cards, removal, and snapcaster mages.
So far my shell is something like this.
Tron, Pod and Scapeshift are green decks that don't play goyf. Do some research before coming and claiming false facts.
Bob is actually easier to deal with than DRS, 1 toughness=Dies to everything.
Personally though, idc what Wizards bans/unbans, I just want jund to go away... -_-
Scapeshift runs green for one card. It is a UR combo deck with a splash of green. I have actually seen some pod decks run goyf, though I will admit it is rare. Tron has no reason to run goyf. The don't run DRS so to my point it is much the same.(the quote was that every deck that can runs DRS when in fact it must fit their strat just like goyf aka it is ambiguous as goyf)
Liliana is good against control but you're overestimating how good. Control decks are allowed to play Abrupt Decay too, you know. Control doesn't exist because the format is too fast for it.
Jund is dominating in part to DRS not because. Jund is the perfect meta game deck and will be until control/aggro is good enough to beat it up a bit. Also abrupt decay is so hard to run in a control deck because 5c mana bases are impossible outside of aggressive decks, and green doesn't really do enough for control anyways.
What you have with Obama and marijuana is just another example of the politician leaning toward the political atmosphere. When Obama was first elected he told the DEA to adhere to the states rights to legalize medical use. The DEA does not have to listen to Obama, and chose to throw its weight around.
The actual time that Obama could have changed something (other than removing marijuana from schedule 1 of the controlled substances act because for w/e reason they decided that the president can arbitrarily alter the classification system) was when he reappointed the head of the DEA because the newly elected congress was jumping down his throat about anything and everything. Obama chose to hold on to every ounce of political power available to him to get measures passed that would help more than the 5% of the population that actually uses marijuana.
If Obama had tried to appoint someone else to that position, he would have seen the republicans villify him for it. I can already see it on fox news [BREAKING NEWS Obama wants to give DRUGS to your BABIES]
Obama is backed into a corner as far as the war on drugs is concerned. If we didn't force the UN to pass the treaty against drugs we would not be in this catch 22.
Patriotism is fine as long as it never becomes nationalism. That being said a lot of people have been misinformed that our country was founded on christian values like muslim countries adhere to sharia law. This is just not true. Conservatives want people to believe this as an additional ways to extend and hold their power over the country in order too keep their high profits from which they don't even pay tax dollars towards.
Freedom of religion might as well be called freedom from Christianity.(or more specifically from Catholicism as was imposed by the church of england the time the protestants pilgrims left.)
What is said was these pilgrims actually imposed the same system that the church of england did except with a protestant agenda.(they actually branded atheist and other "heretics" with cattle brands right on the foreheads)
Jefferson and the other founding fathers(other than Jay) wanted separation of church and state because they saw how religion corrupts. Also they were deist as far as can be told from quotes, speeches, and letters.
Jefferson spoke of rights being tied to responsibility, and that is something IMO we have gotten away from. I think as a country we have tons of work to do because we have fallen so far from where we once were. That being said I am certain we can progress and I love my country. Patriotism is fine as long as it is tied to rationale.
When a card resolves it's in your graveyard; Goyf is checking the graveyard constantly. This came up in standard when a fella tried to Knock-out my (very unimpressive) 1/2 Goyf with a Tarfire after I T1'd some sorcery spell (forgive me if i can't remember what it is)
Goyf grew to a 3/4 as Tarfire Resolves and therefore was unimpressed with the puny 2 damage that was thrown at it.
So, what i think will happen in the case of Dimir Charm;
Goyf is a 2/3 (There is, for this example, a Land and an Instant in any 'yard)
Opponent casts Dimir Charm; targetting Goyf (who is now a legal target);
Dimir Charm goes to resolve (hits the 'yard)-> Goyf is now INSTANTLY a 3/4
Dimir Charm cannot resolve as Goyf is now an illegal target, or rather Dimir Charm's ability fizzles as Goyf is no longer legal. (I believe this is where whether or not Goyf will die comes into place; I believe spells check to see if their target is legal upon targetting AND upon resolution and i believe this counts as the later)
this is how it works with burn spells because SBEs are checked after the burn spell resolves and is in the yard.
As per dimir charm: upon resolution it would have checked to make sure it was a legal target prior to resolving which means it is able to kill 2/3 goyfs even without a sorcery in the yard. However your opponent can respond to your dimir charm with a fetch land or instant and if that makes goyf bigger than a 2/x then your spell would be countered on resolution because it now has an illegal target.
Well then lets use the least likely creature to come off the list. SFM. Why was it banned? Because it went into every deck. It was impossible to build a white deck without havng her in it. She, with 1 other card, are a win condition by themselves in any deck with no risk.
Tarmagoyf? No, Tarmagoyf only goes in aggressive creature based decks.
Snapcaster? No, he needs to be paired with enough cards to have good targets.
Delver needs spells, bob needs lowcurve, etc.
Do you see blue decks without snapcaster? Of course. Do you see green decks without goyf? Of course.
But DRS, he fits in everything. Even decks that arent in his colors are splashing just for him without a second though. And the last time that was happening? People were splashing white for...
And as i said, wizards' primary criterion for a card being banned is when its a "requirement" for every deck and stifling diversity. See: mox. See: SFM. See: Jitte.
I really wish people would stop hiding DRS behind Jund. Or classifying them together. DRS would be broken if Jund didnt exist. So stop saying there are better cards to ban from Jund or that Jund would be fine without it. Facts are facts and DRS is overpowered and toxic to the modern environment regardless of what decks are currently running it.
I don't see green decks without goyf. DRS is not fundamentally broken in any way. It is just a good card that is easily dealt with. IMO bob should be banned before DRS gets axed.
NPH was the next-most-recent set when Mental Misstep was banned, and M12 was the next-most-recent set when Ponder was banned. Admittedly those aren't rares so your (b) doesn't apply, but clearly they're willing to ban cards from recent sets.
As for (b), DRS is seeing extensive Legacy play (so its value wouldn't tank), and RTR has shocklands to keep the set interesting to Modern players.
See, I agree with this, which is why I really don't want DRS to be banworthy, but Jund is oppressive right now. I would certainly rather see unbans and hope that that fixes the issue (I suggested Nacatl and AV in particular because they are powerful cards that are distinctly not midrange cards) but I'm not 100% convinced it will.
As I said, I think in the long term DRS is fine and should be legal. But right now the card is warping the format in a bad way.
DRS is not warping the meta jund and combo is. DRS is one of the best cards to fight the current meta. I agree jund is too strong, and I agree that relative to control and aggro combo is too strong. The best card has against control is liliana. If she resolves you essentially lose the game, its that bad.
Liliana is more in line with what im saying. And id sooner see her banned over BBE. But the rest of this post, im not feeling it.
DRS has zero requirements on deck building. Whch is why every deck in the format is splashing black to throw him in(mild exaggeration, but honestly not by much). Compared to other power cards like Delver and Bob which all have strict requirements on how the deck needs to be for them to be allowed in.
Hes a better lavamancer for burn oriented RDW decks(they hit the face 99% of the time anyways). And thats only using 1 of his 3 abilities. While Lavamancer in its own right is considered a power card. That should speak volumes about how nuts DRS is.
As for zoo, you know what helps zoo? BBE. Banning it would be a pretty crushing blow.
No self-respecting zoo deck runs Bloodbraid elf. IMO DRS replaces the spot left by nactl. Sure it isn't as hyper agressive, but it does do damage on cluttered boards and helps zoos weakness to combo decks.
I thought the exact same thing. Props to the Old School gamers.
Jund is fine. Other decks are not fine. Thats the problem.
I was around for leyline, just skipped my mind thought most of the time i use that acronym I am talking with the context of jund.
I don't really agree that jund is fine though. We would have to significantly increase the power level of several other decks for jund to be fine. I like where the power level of modern is in general. I just think that jund is too strong and aggro and control are both too weak.
That being said 2 mana to kill a 1-2 drop seems a little pricy.
Countering only sorcery speed spells is narrow.
9 times out of 10 the third ability is card disadvantage.
Add all of them together seems fine for standard/block.
I am not sure of the number I am going to run(prolly 2) but I have a good shell for the deck.
Yeah it doesn't seem like it's better than izzet charm. What sorceries are you countering in the early turns? Izzet charm stops pod and karn which are huge problems for control decks.
I guess dimir charm is better vs scapeshift and storm, but izzet charm is better in every other match up. And izzet charm's "draw" ability is better than dimir's draw ability most of the time.
Maybe dimir charm can be a 1 of in gifts decks?
Meh, I think we have better things to gifts for lol.
My mom is Korean, and she's having trouble downloading mp3s or watching videos on daum.net. Images aren't loading either. I've checked a bunch of other websites and this site is the only one that's she's having trouble with. I've tried clearing the cache and flushing the DNS cache but I don't know what's wrong.
sounds like a problem with that particular website. Just to make sure try accessing it with another computer using a different web browser. If both of these come back fine then try the browser that worked on her computer.
I actually think this is good ~ having a stable government and leader long term allows for more long term policy implementation. It isn't like if they're doing a bad job you couldn't axe them after 4 years anyway.
This makes sense, but the first think the person would have to say is that jesus sent me here and probably 50% of people here in the US would vote for that person.
Should limit it. I've been a proponent for this since before I could vote. It only makes sense that congress should have a limit. Too many people comfortably sit on a congressional seat for years (decades even) riding on the "i've been your proude congressmen for x number of years and I know how to get'er'dun" bullcrap.
Yeah, can't stand those D-bags. It also means that lobbyist and others will have to spend more to control the government.
Because bob is a sacred cow of wotc. Just like goyf. Both cards are beyond the power level of modern, but both are probably in modern masters.
While its not a great comparison the idea is like cryptic command. I don't count it towards my counter quota because it won't always be a counterspell, but it sometimes is.
That being said it will probably be a 1-2 of in my esper control deck post GTC. Essentially you run a lot of flashback cards, removal, and snapcaster mages.
So far my shell is something like this.
4 terminus
1-2 entreat the angels
4 azorious charm
3-4 snapcasters
2 dimir charm
4 lingering souls
4 think twice
1-2 unburial rites
1-2 fatties
3-6 counterspells
lands
Scapeshift runs green for one card. It is a UR combo deck with a splash of green. I have actually seen some pod decks run goyf, though I will admit it is rare. Tron has no reason to run goyf. The don't run DRS so to my point it is much the same.(the quote was that every deck that can runs DRS when in fact it must fit their strat just like goyf aka it is ambiguous as goyf)
Jund is dominating in part to DRS not because. Jund is the perfect meta game deck and will be until control/aggro is good enough to beat it up a bit. Also abrupt decay is so hard to run in a control deck because 5c mana bases are impossible outside of aggressive decks, and green doesn't really do enough for control anyways.
Decks that can make green mana are not the same as green decks. My point was a counter point to DRS being in every deck that can play it.
Obama is backed into a corner as far as the war on drugs is concerned. If we didn't force the UN to pass the treaty against drugs we would not be in this catch 22.
Patriotism is fine as long as it never becomes nationalism. That being said a lot of people have been misinformed that our country was founded on christian values like muslim countries adhere to sharia law. This is just not true. Conservatives want people to believe this as an additional ways to extend and hold their power over the country in order too keep their high profits from which they don't even pay tax dollars towards.
Freedom of religion might as well be called freedom from Christianity.(or more specifically from Catholicism as was imposed by the church of england the time the protestants pilgrims left.)
What is said was these pilgrims actually imposed the same system that the church of england did except with a protestant agenda.(they actually branded atheist and other "heretics" with cattle brands right on the foreheads)
Jefferson and the other founding fathers(other than Jay) wanted separation of church and state because they saw how religion corrupts. Also they were deist as far as can be told from quotes, speeches, and letters.
Jefferson spoke of rights being tied to responsibility, and that is something IMO we have gotten away from. I think as a country we have tons of work to do because we have fallen so far from where we once were. That being said I am certain we can progress and I love my country. Patriotism is fine as long as it is tied to rationale.
this is how it works with burn spells because SBEs are checked after the burn spell resolves and is in the yard.
As per dimir charm: upon resolution it would have checked to make sure it was a legal target prior to resolving which means it is able to kill 2/3 goyfs even without a sorcery in the yard. However your opponent can respond to your dimir charm with a fetch land or instant and if that makes goyf bigger than a 2/x then your spell would be countered on resolution because it now has an illegal target.
I don't see green decks without goyf. DRS is not fundamentally broken in any way. It is just a good card that is easily dealt with. IMO bob should be banned before DRS gets axed.
DRS is not warping the meta jund and combo is. DRS is one of the best cards to fight the current meta. I agree jund is too strong, and I agree that relative to control and aggro combo is too strong. The best card has against control is liliana. If she resolves you essentially lose the game, its that bad.
No self-respecting zoo deck runs Bloodbraid elf. IMO DRS replaces the spot left by nactl. Sure it isn't as hyper agressive, but it does do damage on cluttered boards and helps zoos weakness to combo decks.
I was around for leyline, just skipped my mind thought most of the time i use that acronym I am talking with the context of jund.
I don't really agree that jund is fine though. We would have to significantly increase the power level of several other decks for jund to be fine. I like where the power level of modern is in general. I just think that jund is too strong and aggro and control are both too weak.
That being said 2 mana to kill a 1-2 drop seems a little pricy.
Countering only sorcery speed spells is narrow.
9 times out of 10 the third ability is card disadvantage.
Add all of them together seems fine for standard/block.
I am not sure of the number I am going to run(prolly 2) but I have a good shell for the deck.
3-4 snapcasters
4 lingering souls
4 think twice
1-2 unburial rites
1-2 fatties
3-4 terminus
1-2 entreat the angels
3-4 sphinx's revelation
4 azorius charm
few removal spells, few counterspells, and land.
Meh, I think we have better things to gifts for lol.
derp I guess that could refer to more than just lily. But yes lily lol.
sounds like a problem with that particular website. Just to make sure try accessing it with another computer using a different web browser. If both of these come back fine then try the browser that worked on her computer.
This makes sense, but the first think the person would have to say is that jesus sent me here and probably 50% of people here in the US would vote for that person.
Yeah, can't stand those D-bags. It also means that lobbyist and others will have to spend more to control the government.