Olivia Voldaren and Empress Galina suggest that the costing of these abilities is too low. There is an opportunity here to put in some trinket text that makes the card more interesting — "nonlegendary creature" might be okay, and it makes an effective reference to the story about the Argonauts. "Unequipped creature" would make for interesting play decisions for your opponent.
The "put a song counter on" ability should definitely target, and definitely cost mana.
I think just Olivia Voldaren can be comparated to this siren on mechanic
Galina is old ( before powercrap) he can only target legends and This effect lasts indefinitely.
t : Put a song counter on target creature, you control all creatures with song counters on them for as long as you control Hypnotic Siren. x: Sacrifice a creature you control with a song counter on it where X is that creatures CMC, put a +1/+1 counter on Hypnotic Siren.
"Her songs are so beutiful, they brainwash sailors to be her slaves. Once she has no more use for them, they become nothing more than a meal.
1/1
is good
making it legendary is a good way to push it to 1/3
t : Put a song counter on target creature, you control that creature for as long as you control Hypnotic Siren or as long this creature has a song counter on it.
this would be nice than having a ETB ability
Version 2: is weak
for pass though shroud/hexproof you can make it a:
t : Choose a creature, put a Song counter on that creature.
It's not per say better, because bequier's take control is permament, while the siren's can be undone by just removing the weak 1/1 body, which isnt hard to do, so it's definetly not Mythic worthy. However I can get rid of the sac effect, and make all song counters go away when siren leaves the battlefield.
guy please go to Custon Card Creation Forum
There we can discuss this design
Put a song counter on target creature, you control all creatures with song counters on them for as long as you control Hypnotic Siren. X Sacrifice a creature you control with a song counter on it where X is that creatures CMC, put a +1/+1 counter on Hypnotic Siren.
"Her songs are so beutiful, they brainwash sailors to be her slaves. Once she has no more use for them, they become nothing more than a meal.
1/1
And if this set really will have an emphasis on Greek Mythology, I want to see me some more gorgons!
so a better begguiler at rare and not MR , also without a conditional ability
The thing is we can't say a card is a deal without having a use for it in competitive or casual ( yeah this will always happen)
Maybe some thing comes with Theros and M14 that will make VoR see more play in other formarts and thus Making a $30+ price tag a real thing
You people seriously don't get how big a deal it is for a card to be CMC<=3 do you?
Please take a look at the prices of cards that are in that group.
give me another exemple of deck(no Pod) ( in modern / legacy / vintage) that can play VoR with it being a machine or being a game ender or any thing relevant
How would this have been over powered at 4/4?? If anything it's still underpowered. It's so conditional at 5cc with no other "good" creatures with life link to push it along. I'm starting to get really tired of mythic rarity
4
+5
+6
+7
=22 damage + 22 life for you without counting other creatures bumped (4 turns clock)
3
+4
+5
+6
+7
=25 damage + 25 life to you without counting other creatures bumped ( 5 turns clock)
And just because you think a card isn't good doesn't mean it won't see play. I sincerely don't think VoR will go over $50, but it will most definitely not settle at $5 or $15 like most people are saying. $35 - $40 is an apropriate price for it, given the circumstances it's in (all that crap about mythic, low print run, sees play in modern, etc.). That is, until it goes out of print. After that prices are, how should i say this, UNPREDICABLE!!!1!
Just look at every single price graph of every single good card and you'll see a pattern to them untill they rotate from standard (after which the prices drop because of market flooding and then go up again god knows how high). After that they just become a messy line of nonsense, just secondary market "noise". If you look closely you'll see you can play with them using some advanced physics but i won't get into that.
After VoR leaves T2 it will drop alot (comparated to its price today)
if it sees significant play in just one deck in Modern it will drop for sure
time will tell but $ 35 up to a card that don't sees play ?
look at Batterskull
Would be nice to have a litle of background if possible
like if you want a walker that thinks that he is part of nature, that he can make what he want while respecting it, that the others should kneel under his Wrath
you could make
Card Advantage for +
Versatile for -
End Game ultimate
also as its color intensive you could make it seems a little broken
A Example:
+2: Card name deals 1 damage to up to one target creature or player. If cardname deals damage to a creatue this way, tap that creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step. If cardname deals damage to a opponent, Draw a card.
-4: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand. Discard a card (or two) at the end of turn.
-10: Draw 10 cards. Until the end of turn, You may cast spells without paying their mana costs.
as a mechanic you could do a colors metters like for each color of mana spent on the spell or for each color amoung permanents you control the spel becomes more powerfull
just cause we have Primeval Bounty and not Garruk's desire (or any creepy like this) i don't want revenge to be Liliana's Wake
Would you like Grave Titan to be named Liliana's titan(while the others remain they original names)? no ? then ****
any thing other than Liliana's Wake
I think just Olivia Voldaren can be comparated to this siren on mechanic
Galina is old ( before powercrap) he can only target legends and This effect lasts indefinitely.
is good
making it legendary is a good way to push it to 1/3
Version 2: is weak
for pass though shroud/hexproof you can make it a:
guy please go to Custon Card Creation Forum
There we can discuss this design
so a better begguiler at rare and not MR , also without a conditional ability
To be honest i found 2 other decks in modern using Voice:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5085&d=229332
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5041&d=229081
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5117&d=229534 ( a Pod)
and for legacy:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/search (0 so far)
The thing is we can't say a card is a deal without having a use for it in competitive or casual ( yeah this will always happen)
Maybe some thing comes with Theros and M14 that will make VoR see more play in other formarts and thus Making a $30+ price tag a real thing
give me another exemple of deck(no Pod) ( in modern / legacy / vintage) that can play VoR with it being a machine or being a game ender or any thing relevant
4
+5
+6
+7
=22 damage + 22 life for you without counting other creatures bumped (4 turns clock)
3
+4
+5
+6
+7
=25 damage + 25 life to you without counting other creatures bumped ( 5 turns clock)
1 turn of life is a lot in a limited environment
After VoR leaves T2 it will drop alot (comparated to its price today)
if it sees significant play in just one deck in Modern it will drop for sure
time will tell but $ 35 up to a card that don't sees play ?
look at Batterskull
like if you want a walker that thinks that he is part of nature, that he can make what he want while respecting it, that the others should kneel under his Wrath
you could make
Card Advantage for +
Versatile for -
End Game ultimate
also as its color intensive you could make it seems a little broken
A Example:
+2: Card name deals 1 damage to up to one target creature or player. If cardname deals damage to a creatue this way, tap that creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step. If cardname deals damage to a opponent, Draw a card.
-4: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand. Discard a card (or two) at the end of turn.
-10: Draw 10 cards. Until the end of turn, You may cast spells without paying their mana costs.
as a mechanic you could do a colors metters like for each color of mana spent on the spell or for each color amoung permanents you control the spel becomes more powerfull
i am more of Waste Not team than any thing
Maybe team no planeswalker related cards in cycle that are not planeswalker related ( soo far)
if they ever do a new dual land i think some thing like:
Legendary land
Bolt land is every basic land type.
({T}: Add {W},{U}, {B}, {R} or {G} to your mana pool.)
As Bolt land enters the battlefield, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, Bolt land enters the battlefield tapped.
maybe with a :(Whenever Bolt land becomes tapped, it deals 1 damage to you.)
could see print
Would you like Grave Titan to be named Liliana's titan(while the others remain they original names)? no ? then ****
any thing other than Liliana's Wake