Yeah I feel ya, I'm using a similar list to the OP, and I went 1-3 tonight. Get this, I win in a mirror match of sorts. Def been let down as to how this is playing out for me. With two diff versions I'm 1-6-1 lol
So I ran my combo deck tonight and went 0-3-1 had to see how it would play out. Ended up going to time with some controlly decks but lost easily to aggro and midrange. Staying alive is a big deal! I'm tempted to run some more lifegain type cards to midigate damage. A heavier creature package seemed like not so
Good, I'll be goingb from 18 to 16 creatures, maybe some diff puzzelknots? It might make a deference in some the matches I saw. It's a tough call tho, seems like standard is still pretty wide open. Only ran into one copter deck and gotta say it's a real threat, almost want to main board some artifact hate because of that card alone.
So how is this deck beating aggro? smuggler copter aggro based decks in particular. I know my LGS will be full of them and I'd like to hear the salv's ideas on how to beat aggro effectively! ?
I am paying a visit back to my first EDH deck I built, a Memnarch artifact deck that used mychosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Now with Padeem, Consul of Innovation, ole Memnarch will become part of the 99. Have any of you thought about Metallurgic Summonings in this deck?
So that means the token enters right before the spell that triggered it? So copy a gear hulk with the artistry and another one and have 3 gear hulks and a 6/6. Seems pretty good.
After reading the oracle rules on Metallurgic Summonings I'm wondering if when I cast Saheeli's Artistry if I can target the 6/6 Construct that is created? The oracle says, "Metallurgic Summonings’s first ability resolves before the spell that caused it to trigger."
That is what I was trying to explain to him! He even said what I did I could get a warning at a major tournament. So I'm serious when I say I need to know, this was just at Friday Night Magic, not conspiracy obviously.
Just to be clear; you are trying to cast it before attacking with the Lieutenant? As Reydien explains above, it does sound like you stated "Declare Attacks", which does move the game into the Declare Attackers step if your opponent accepts the shortcut, and then still tried to cast it during the Beginning of Combat Step. If so, you have technically committed an error as you are now past the Beginning of Combat Step. So, you should have attacked with the Lieutenant and then cast Heron's Grace. If you wanted to cast it immediately in the Beginning of Combat Step, Reydien has outlined the steps and communication you should use to do so.
A jugde may give you a warning (depending on the tournament level) but they will not stop you from casting Heron's Grace. They will just inform you where you went wrong and have you cast it in the right step (after attackers are declared).
It is a good idea to remember what step you are in though and to make sure you follow the procedures correctly. If you make it to the Declare Attackers step, the very first thing that is done is Declare Attackers. Then you can cast spells.
Yes I realize this now, you declare combat it takes you right to the declare attackers, it s your oppente last chance to interact before the attackers are declared. I was under the understanding that I could cast another spell like I said, but as stated by the "politically correct/ nice, fair play guys". Says I need to say it like this "I declare my combat phase and flash in a Heron's Grace Champion to trigger my Thalia's Lieutenat". That sounds like a good way to say it???
i guess if you read that blog that what I did might be thought of like this....hmmmmm....but I guess it does not matter because I'll just flash in the Heron's Grace Champion as I declare attackers. Calling a judge please lol
[quote from="Darksteel_Eye »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/753472-question-on-timing-during-attack-phase?comment=4"]I ask this because the person I was playing was the level 1 judge and I've seen him make bad calls before and am looking for a way to politely confront him about it.
In your case though, moving too fast doesn't really mean anything. If your opponent wanted to back up so they can perform an action before combat (or at the beginning of combat) they can do that, but they can't prevent you from still casting your creature just because you were "too fast". The creature has Flash and you will eventually get priority again so you can cast it.
That is what I was trying to explain to him! He even said what I did I could get a warning at a major tournament. So I'm serious when I say I need to know, this was just at Friday Night Magic, not conspiracy obviously.
But hold on, did you read my creature has FLASH? I declared, priority me, he says ok, priority him back over to me, I flash in the creature, I need to know exactly why this doesn't work, like I said I was playin a level 1 judge and this happened. I want to make sure I understand why this works or doesn't work that's why I want a higher judge, cuz maybe this isn't something level 1 judges know about specifically,
I ask this because the person I was playing was the level 1 judge and I've seen him make bad calls before and am looking for a way to politely confront him about it.
So what I did was ok? He cited some fastening rule of play. I disagreed with him because I declared he said ok, so priority goes back the me, right? Then I flashed in and he said I couldn't cuz of some rule I had never heard of. It is a big deal to me because I feel like other people have had calls by him at my LGS as well. And I'm sure this was a bad call.
I stated during the declare combat part which is what he had a problem with.
I have a question regarding the attack phase. As far as I know, magic has always been a game where priority matters and I came across an instance where a judge told me what I did was illegal but didn't quite explain it to me to where I could understand.
Here was the situation. I declare attack phase. He says ok, then I flashed in Heron's Grace Champion mainly so I could get a trigger on a Thalia's Lieutenant they cited some rule I had never heard before. Why can't I flash in a creature at that point? As far as I know the attack phase goes. 1. Declare combat 2. declare attackers 3. Declare blockers 4. Damage dealt 5. Cleanup. I have a chance to gain priority at every instance of my attack phase right?
Please I need two judges to rule on this, hopefully over level 1 thank you.
Good, I'll be goingb from 18 to 16 creatures, maybe some diff puzzelknots? It might make a deference in some the matches I saw. It's a tough call tho, seems like standard is still pretty wide open. Only ran into one copter deck and gotta say it's a real threat, almost want to main board some artifact hate because of that card alone.
Yes I realize this now, you declare combat it takes you right to the declare attackers, it s your oppente last chance to interact before the attackers are declared. I was under the understanding that I could cast another spell like I said, but as stated by the "politically correct/ nice, fair play guys". Says I need to say it like this "I declare my combat phase and flash in a Heron's Grace Champion to trigger my Thalia's Lieutenat". That sounds like a good way to say it???
That is what I was trying to explain to him! He even said what I did I could get a warning at a major tournament. So I'm serious when I say I need to know, this was just at Friday Night Magic, not conspiracy obviously.
So what I did was ok? He cited some fastening rule of play. I disagreed with him because I declared he said ok, so priority goes back the me, right? Then I flashed in and he said I couldn't cuz of some rule I had never heard of. It is a big deal to me because I feel like other people have had calls by him at my LGS as well. And I'm sure this was a bad call.
I stated during the declare combat part which is what he had a problem with.
Here was the situation. I declare attack phase. He says ok, then I flashed in Heron's Grace Champion mainly so I could get a trigger on a Thalia's Lieutenant they cited some rule I had never heard before. Why can't I flash in a creature at that point? As far as I know the attack phase goes. 1. Declare combat 2. declare attackers 3. Declare blockers 4. Damage dealt 5. Cleanup. I have a chance to gain priority at every instance of my attack phase right?
Please I need two judges to rule on this, hopefully over level 1 thank you.