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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I would also get Force of Negation now and not later. I got 2 for my UW deck but Im thinking about getting another 2 just in case. Currently I don't need them but you never know what might happen later on and if that happens the price of these certainly will shoot through the roof. Better to swallow the pill now than having to pay double later.

    Quote from user-11171179 »
    I also didn't noticed the price move on Gravecrawler, it's now what triple what it was for like forever? Time to dig some of those up from my boxes.


    I need a playset for my casual/FNM Zombies deck. Any chance it goes down in price after the Bridge ban? Or should I just get them now?


    I would wait if I were you. Hoogvine is technically still a deck but now it has to compete with Dredge and it could very well lose that comparison so people will leave it in droves. In that case Gravecrawler most certainly will fall.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from Aegraen »
    Quote from Galerion »
    Quote from icehippo »
    I can see this however the one major tournament (GP) there was, as well as the SCG team event, didn’t show that the deck was all that oppressive. Only 2 copies in the top 8 doesn’t quite live up to the hype of this obscene win rate wotc claims and isn’t exactly tier 0. UW Control also put 2 copies in the same top 8 and we aren’t calling for bans on Control.


    Maybe not here directly but I have certainly seen people elsewhere being salty about UWs ever increasing power level. Maybe all the Midrange and Jank players Laughing


    If you're a lingering souls mid range player you want to see UW. When I was playing Esper Midrange (granted, a jank deck) I'd love to see UWx control across from me. It's not too difficult to build mid-range decks to be positive against UW. There are certainly a fair amount of grindy tools in the format. A deck like Mardu would also love to sit across from UW every round. UW is certainly a strong deck, but it's not a giant.


    True but then don't make the mistake of comparing a deck specially targeted against UW against UW lists that don't target them back. Midrange is basically dead currently in the format so UW isn't really built with them in mind. It still has the natural advantage of the all the value its spells have but that's it.

    If those decks that you have mentioned would actually be a big part of the metagame than UW would look different too. More Jaces, more Teferis, Sphinx's Revelation, Elspeth, Sun's Champion, stuff like Fact of Fiction, etc. You can reconfigure the entire deck basically.

    I was joking with my comment about Midrange players being the salty ones but I don't think Im that far off because some of these salty people called UW Control "Tron 2.0" which is telling about them. I don't think they are wrong about that though. If Midrange ever gets big again Tron certainly won't be the only thing that will smell blood. That's for sure.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from icehippo »
    I can see this however the one major tournament (GP) there was, as well as the SCG team event, didn’t show that the deck was all that oppressive. Only 2 copies in the top 8 doesn’t quite live up to the hype of this obscene win rate wotc claims and isn’t exactly tier 0. UW Control also put 2 copies in the same top 8 and we aren’t calling for bans on Control.


    Maybe not here directly but I have certainly seen people elsewhere being salty about UWs ever increasing power level. Maybe Midrange and Jank players Laughing
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    That's why I said Teferi and Force of Negation on the draw. You will Force Twin and then they are tapped out against a still active Teferi. Like I said with this combination of cards I cannot imagine that play not being right 100% of the time.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Im talking about the UW Control side here and it a was response to the statement of gkourou that it would be risky to tap out for walkers. In little Teferis case I disagree with that.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Tapping out for Teferi, Time Raveler wouldn't actually be that risky. I mean what are the gonna do about him? They are pretty much forced to counter him because otherwise their entire deck falls apart. Neither the Tempo nor the Combo plan is working as long as he is on the battlefield.

    Windmill slamming him on Turn 3 leaves basically only three options:

    1) They counter him and then follow up with something
    2) They let him resolve and spent their next turn(s) somehow getting him of the battlefield. That guy has 5 Loyalty so they lost Tempo and resources while doing that.
    3) They do neither of those things and pretty much lose the game

    If I am on the play and I have a hand with Teferi and something like a Detention Sphere I would slam him on Turn 3 100% of the time. I would do the same if Im on the draw and and I have Teferi and Force of Negation. The upside of this is sky high while risk isn't.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Which decks receive the most support from Wizards? [Post Twin Ban]
    Quote from Ayiluss »
    Control and it's not even close. Control got insane boost in the last 1-2 years, literally more good things than other archetype together.


    Can't really argue with that.
    Im just coming back now and I realized that I have to spent $200 to update my UW list because of the cards it got in WAR and MH1. That's like half of what I initially paid for the entire deck. Ugh...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on B&R Announcement: Nexus of Fate banned from Standard, Arena only
    Quote from mapccu »
    I dunno if I like this approach. If the card is leading to undesirable game states online, why would I want to bet $70usd on tournament entry and risk losing to looped turns as well. How is that any more desirable.

    I play turns in modern for fun every now, but if it was a legit deck I wouldn't want to see it very often. Watching someone else play magic for 10 min at a time isn't fun. Even victories against these strats feel hollow.

    This also sets precedence to set market expectations. If the natural progression is to ban in arena and then ban in paper there could be quite a heavy impact on the price barrier. Now players are forced with the unfortunate choice of do I buy/trade for this card that obviously has a target on it even though it yields me the best chance of spiking this tournament - or play it safe and take a known quantity that may have a slightly better than abysmal chance against the rest of the field but beats that deck?

    I'll have to stew on this one for awhile. On the bright side I'm glad they are at least paying atttention.


    The article has been pretty clear about it that the problem is the Magic Arena client and not Nexus of Fate. In paper there are judges and shortcuts. In the Magic Online client you will simply time out and lose the match if you want to loop endlessly. Arena has none of those things so you can actually loop endlessly and there is nothing you can do about it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Dredge has failed to put up consistent top results and Looting doesn't trigger Creeping Chill either.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Alex Olsen who made 3rd place at GP Oakland ran 3 Serum Visions along with 4 Opt in his list.

    Is instant speed good to trigger miracle? Of course. But Scry 2 also help you in getting it there in the first place or prevents it from being there.
    The advantage of Hieroglyphic Illumination is its dual nature by being both a cantrip and a card advantage spell. Olsen decided that additional sources of Scry was better and that's OK. Since there is no real or wrong way to build it. Just preferences.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from 13055 »


    UW control is a really powerful deck that *****s on less refined/ bad decks.


    ... Is there a top tier deck that doesn't ***** on less refined/bad decks?


    Depends obviously. Look at Burn vs Soul Sisters/Matyr Proc for example.

    The reason you can claim that decks like UW/x, GB/x and Deaths Shadow decks are particular good at doing it is because they are pretty much goodstuff decks that are not built around synergies while they can deal with opposing synergies.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from Arkmer »
    Fluff is correct that sweepers are not in short supply nor are they very slow, the issue we have is that they are easily made irrelevant. If more sweepers were relevant they would be used, instead we see Terminus acting as the majority of sweepers.

    No other sweeper acts like Terminus, and it is how Terminus acts that makes it better in this meta than the other sweepers. Is this a problem with sweepers or is this a problem with the meta? I say the meta. I can resolve Supreme Verdict easily, but that'll only stop Bloodghast for a moment, stop Phoenix for a moment, Amalgam for a moment. I can resolve my Uncounterable Gold Standard Sweeper easily, after I Path that hexproof Queller, after I Path that Freebooter protected by Meddling Mage. I think we can all agree that Supreme Verdict is and should be the gold standard of sweeper, right? Seriously, does anyone disagree? Well... It's not right now, it's bad right now, it doesn't accomplish that much right now. Many decks in the format easily make it irrelevant, so if this is to be the premium sweeper for Modern I would suggest we do some fixing to bring this back.

    When did aggro become so resilient? It wasn't this resilient in the past. It never had time to look into my hand and snatch the answer I spent time, resources, and risk retrieving. Not without being called midrange, at least, and midrange wouldn't leave me at 7 life on T3 or 4 while doing it.

    We have talked endlessly about how permanent based grave removal like RIP and Void do not do the job quite well enough to really push out these grave based aggro decks. In fact, while not aggro itself, we just banned a deck for being entirely too resilient against this type of hate and then continued to comment about how our sideboards aren't really changing. It is all too common and too easy for these decks to sift, find answers to hate, and keep pressure at the same time. I don't think we need more sweepers, I think we need a better answer to the graveyard being a second and better hand that "casts" things for free via abilities.

    How we do that... Jeez, that's a little beyond me.

    EDIT: Let me also say that I think Humans and Spirits are fine despite my ribbing of them, but them in concert with the grave decks drive me a little bananas.


    So why is Supreme Verdict somehow supposed to be the gold standard?
    There isn't much reason to use when you can enable Terminus. Being uncounterable only matters against like GDS and Merfolk I guess. And then Terminus is cheap enough to respond to counter attempts with you own spells.
    And this is not a Modern exclusive thing either. In other formats people are playing with it too and stuff like Toxic Deluge.

    Like I said before. Terminus was always going to get played. It's like the best wrath ever printed. We just lacked viable ways to make it work and now they are there.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Furthermore, Preordain and Ponder both have restrictions. They can only look at 3-4 cards.

    Also I don't think many people are actually considering Ponder for an unbanning any time soon. Yes, if the Preordain "project" is successful, then yes, maybe we will look at Ponder in the future. But right now, I think many Modern players believe Preordain to be a less powerful card than Ancient Stirrings.


    Based on 'SFM cannot come off, look at UW' from Wizards, I'll NEVER hold out for Preordain or Ponder, ever.


    Which shouldn't be expected from anyone at all now IMO. Not only are there the UW/x decks but obviously Izzet Phoenix too. Unbanning cards that make already good decks even better is a real and obvious risk and I don't think Wizards is in for that.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from Pokken »
    Quote from Galerion »


    SFM is at its best in an UW/x shell. That was true in Standard, it's true in Legacy and there is no reason to assume that it wouldn't be so in Modern and that's the problem because results are results.



    Not to pick any nits but the most successful long term deck using SFM has been mono white Legacy D&T without any doubt at all. UW Stoneblade has been in and out numerous times and not nearly as consistently powerful. You could argue successfully that Cawblade was more dominant but I'd say that's more an issue with putting a ton of eternal playable UW cards in a standard format.

    I can see the argument for blue being the best SFM vehicle in Modern but lacking Force of Will pushes you pretty hard down the black path if you want to play tapout midrange.

    The combination of Assassin's Trophy and Path to Exile makes me think it's just as likely Abzan is the best SFM deck as Esper or UW. Especially when we think about the high likelihood of it being a thoughtseize deck.

    Too many variables to figure out for sure though. I'm not even sure it'd wind up being viable, though Stoneforge for Batterskull does solve a lot of problems current aggro decks present.


    Well by forgoing Blue you are forgoing stuff like countermagic, Snapcaster Mage, Jace, The Mind Sculptor and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. One of the reasons GDS has become the defacto Death's Shadow deck is because of its access to countermagic and the fact that Snapcaster is so good in grindy games and that's something that non-Blue decks have trouble dealing with and you can actually protect yourself and your stuff from all kind of things instead of just hoping they don't have it.

    It might not be provable what the best SFM shell would be but I imagine a SFM deck as a grindy deck since that's what the card naturally facilitates and when it comes to grinding the power level of the Blue cards is quite obvious and proven.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on UW Control
    Quote from jayjayhooks »
    KCI was one of the most played decks, not really sure where you're getting this information from. It was like 7% of the online meta and an even bigger portion of day 2 decks in paper.


    I actually have to ask where getting that from?

    This is the day 2 of GP Oakland and that was the strongest showing the deck ever had.


    You can also check MTGTop8
    https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO


    KCI was never at any point one of the most played decks or even heavily played which was part of its controversy because it put up disproportionate amounts of good results compared to how often it actually was played. Kinda similar to Amulet Titan before Summer Bloom was banned.
    Posted in: Control
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