MTG Salvation

Garruk, Unleashed 2GG
+1 Up to one target creature gets +3/+3 and gains trample until EOT.
-2 Create a 3/3 Green Beast token. Then, if an opponent controls more creatures than you, put a loyalty counter on Garruk, Unleashed.
-7 You get an emblem with "At the beginning of your end step, you may search your library for a creature card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library".

Quote from SaltMaster 5000 »

I don't understand the point of reaching consensus. If you want to min max everything and play the same few dozen cards as everyone else, why not play constructed?

I get the feeling that none of you guys actually like Pauper, you just can't afford a Vintage cube and don't like looking at proxies. If you want to max out on power just go all the way, why stick with commons?

Even if you don't want to minmax reaching a consensus is pretty useful, as if you're beginning you can either build a maximum power cube by knowing what are the essentials, or build a depowered cube with crap cards by cutting bombs right away. You also get to know what cards are actually useful and which ones look good in paper but have poor execution, because a curated limited environment is important for cube now matter which 360 you run (you don't want to have a full powered black section but everything else with mediocre power level for example).

About the second part, I'm not sure if you're trolling or actually serious. I have a Vintage cube with proxies for the most expensive cards (that actually look good, and can pass as the real thing as long as they're sleeved, so looks are a non-issue) and it's a completely different beast from Pauper, both from gameplay perspective and the actual power of the cards. By that logic, why play a tier 1 deck in any format, because if you wanted power you would go play Shops in Vintage, right?

Quote from Bearscape »

And I will never forget K0no, for defending Eldrazi winter a month into it being ~50% of the meta, saying people just had to adapt

A broken clock is right twice a day. The fact that you just had to resort to hyperbole from a period that happened three years ago (because I'm not even sure he defended it) and had no other examples to show off really drives your point home.

So Ninja's are probably the UB archetype, and Slivers are RW? This one's cool, hope the rest aren't horribly overcosted like 80% of the ninjas in the current card pool.

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Quote from Manite »

Quote from Diarmuid »

I don't know, every time a Mox got spoiled in the last few years, people were initially saying how bad it is, and it always ended up playable somewhere. Free mana for 0 always ended up good, no matter the restrictions.

Yeah, I can picture the arguments:

Chrome Mox - "You have to exile a card, and risk getting 2-for-1ed. Total jank."
Mox Opal - "You have to get three whole artifacts on the battlefield. Unplayable garbage."

That's literally how those two cards were perceived when they were originally spoiled. Today, Chrome Mox is a $40 card and Mox Opal is $100 (and the Kaladesh version is $300).

I think people are seriously underrating this card, especially with the preponderance of ways to cheat things like this into play in non-rotating formats.

Because those can accelerate a Chalice of the Void on 1 or similar things on turn 1. This cannot. On turn 4 (and that's assuming you play it on curve) you already have full Tron if you want to be cheating on mana.

Quote from mu1000 »

Sorry, I can't be bothered to look up quotes to prove my points to random strangers on the internet. Take my word for it, or not, I don't care. I know I'm right.

Oh, and a Jeskai Superfriends deck running 2 Mox Amber placed first in SCG Syracuse. I guess you'll just blow that off as well.

Lmao, you want to defend an argument but don't want to provide proofs for it other than "you know you're right" and then proceed to cite an outlier from a random-ass standard deck that didn't even run the full playset as if it's in any shape or size relevant to Modern. You sure convinced everyone with those hot opinions there.

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Quote from ironwit »

i haven't seen them print many cards in this set that are adjuncts and improvements for the top modern decks either (maybe the Welder variant is interesting for the Prison players?); the angle they seem to be taking is to bombard us with starting points for new decks! they are very clearly trying to establish modern slivers and slide from what we already know!

if the set relied on reprints what you'd have is a watered-down Legacy.

I dunno man, several of the cards look like they will have an impact on modern, so far we've had:

• Ranger-Captain of Eos
  
• Astral Drift
  
• Generous Gift
  
• Choking Tethers
  
• Exclude
  
• Fact or Fiction
  
• Force of Negation
  
• Prohibit
  
• Urza, Lord High Artificer
  
• Cabal Therapist
  
• Crypt Rats
  
• Feaster of Fools
  
• Force of Despair
  
• Firebolt
  
• Fists of Flame
  
• Goblin Matron
  
• Goblin War Party
  
• Lava Dart
  
• Planebound Accomplice
  
• Seasoned Pyromancer
  
• Force of Vigor
  
• Genesis
  
• Nimble Mongoose
  
• Regrowth
  
• Spore Frog
  
• Etchings of the Chosen
  
• Good-Fortune Unicorn
  
• Ice-Fang Coatl
  
• Munitions Expert
  
• Thundering Djinn
  
• Altar of Dementia
  
• Scrapyard Recombiner
  
• Fiery Islet
  
• Nurturing Peatland
  
• Prismatic Vista
  
• Silent Clearing
  
• Sunbaked Canyon
  
• Watterlogged Grove

And that is just from the cards revealed so far. They will all have an impact on modern.

Rofl, stopped reading at Goblin War Party

Quote from Manite »

Yeah, I can picture the arguments:

Chrome Mox - "You have to exile a card, and risk getting 2-for-1ed. Total jank."
Mox Opal - "You have to get three whole artifacts on the battlefield. Unplayable garbage."
Mox Amber - "You need to have a legendary creature or planeswalker on the battlefield. Jaaaaank."
Mox Tantalite - "You have to wait three whole turns!? JAAAAAANK!"

I wonder how many players deride Lotus Bloom for the same reason.

Yeah, nah. Quote me exactly in which posts Chrome and Opal were deemed unplayable. Amber IS indeed unplayable jank, even in Standard, and this needed Suspend 1 to be even remotely playable. I wonder how it's always people who don't even play modern the ones that complain the loudest about "people complaining" and thinking card are absurdly busted because they share part of their name with another busted card while reposting meme rhetoric like this. Do you think Cabal Therapist is also good because it's a callback to Cabal Therapy?

Quote from Stoogeslap »

Now this begs the question: what cards can help sneak this into play w/in the first 3 turns w/ having to suspend it?

The real question is why would you want to use cheat spells with a pseudo land as a payoff instead of casting things like Ancestral Vision and the rest of its cycle.

And so continue the chronicles of Commander Horizons.

I'm still so salty that UB worked out for them. They print a ******* Coca-Cola vending machine and people go "oh wow I love this." They literally transformed Magic into some Weiss Schwarz ass crossover fest and are getting rewarded for it. Thanks I hate it

Quote from SecretInfiltrator »

The accurate umbrella term would be gunslinger, no?

The Man in Black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed.

i remember when this guy was 10 bucks

now i don't want to see him reprinted for 10 years, and even that won't help recover the feeling of pissing away money when this is the rare you crack.

buy singles folks. especially at the cost per pack this set is carrying.

more unimpressive inclusions.

the mythic isn't worth all that much to begin with, and this will kill its price.

fiery justice has been done to death and needs to be downshifted. is this card even played... anywhere? like at all?

well that's a kick in the dick.

if that's your rare. i don't buy the they can't all be winners bull***** some people spew. at the cost per pack they sure as **** better all be winners, or at least playable.

Coffers at mythic can eat my entire ass

I find it unacceptable that they control the means to produce this card, and have neglected reprinting it to the point where its hit an absurd price... only to bump it from uncommon to mythic as a means to sell us more lotto tickets.

It was in a precon the one time they did actually reprint it

There is no excuse here.

This is my new favorite soldier token.

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Quote from JuiceBOX »

People need to realize that they intend to keep doing this. Their goal is to keep printing cards they can ban.

Banning cards isn't really in WotC's interest. Big money cards like Oko and Uro have lost value as a result of being banned.
It's more that it is in WotC's interest to push the envelope with big money cards like Oko and Uro to make sure they are highly sought after, and as a result, a number of such cards have been over the top. If you're deliberately aiming for top of the pack, sometimes they fall under and are more mediocre, sometimes they go over.
I'd say it's a case of WotC taking too many risks with these cards without enough playtesting to make sure they're in line.
Plus, WotC works on a delay between finalising the set and printing, so banning have flow-on effects of throwing off the balancing of the metagame that future sets were developed around. So banning can end up chaining like that.

I must vehemently disagree with you. It's not oversight to continue doing this kind of thing. It's a model and it's not an uncommon model in mobile gaming or free to play gaming. They've determined that they have sold enough of the product - the remaining profit exists on the secondary market where they are only indirect beneficiaries.

The decision makes perfect sense. They've made their money off Uro - time to make room for the next pushed crap to gouge.

People need to realize that they intend to keep doing this. Their goal is to keep printing cards they can ban.

Anyone who says WotC upshifted Ravenous Trap for draft really needs to ask who in their right mind is spending $50-$60 for a draft.