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Thank you eidolon.

Here is the conversation I had with prominent cubers, people that write for websites like Channelfireball and such. Pretty much everyone agreed on the answer. I am not stopping people from playing mm but I just disagree with its inclusion.

Is Mental Misstep playable in cube?
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Michael Boland depends on the cube
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regular powered cube or unpowered
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Andy Cooperfauss No.
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Chingsung Chang No
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I know it's bad but can I get some reasoning? Some guy on salvation is saying pact is worse than mm.
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Bryan Hoyt it is in my cube
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Andy Cooperfauss On your next Cube draft, lay out the curve of each deck. Note the number of 1-drops.

Against some decks, it will be good. Against most, it will be very, very bad.
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Chingsung Chang That may, in fact, be true, I was never a fan of 5-mana Pact. Consider why each card is good:

Mental Misstep is good in situations where your opponent's critical cards cost 1 mana. This is true in Legacy, but how often is it true in Cube?

Pact is good when it is 1) protecting a combo, and 2) protecting a finisher you are consistently tapping out for. In both cases your opponent needs to consistently have countermagic available for Pact to be good. How often do you see that being true in cube?

I think both are reasonably situational cards that can be good in the right cube, but I'd much rather have more general cards like Mana Drain, Counterspell, and FoW
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Exactly! He was like control is weak against 1 drops...
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Chingsung Chang yes, but you should have good creature removal for 1-drops, like, if you're worried about it, play more Disfigure and StP
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Chingsung Chang and not Mental Misstep
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Frankie Ramaley Off the top of my head, not in most cubes, no
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Brian Miller Seems really bad on average.
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Greg Hatch I mean, best case scenarios seem marginal.
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Jonathan Richmond Spell Snare probably counters more, right?
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Greg Hatch Well, its playable, which makes it better. In all seriousness, though, everything really good costs 2, and its at worst marginal in any cube with signets.
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Alex Bertoncini no it's not very good at all. in any cube (aside from a one-drop cube) it's too narrow and if your deck needs an answer to a 1-drop that badly, draft better

Here is the conversation I had with prominent cubers, people that write for websites like Channelfireball and such. Pretty much everyone agreed on the answer. I am not stopping people from playing mm but I just disagree with its inclusion.

Is Mental Misstep playable in cube?
Like · · Unfollow Post · 4 hours ago
Seen by 22

Michael Boland depends on the cube
4 hours ago · Like · 1

regular powered cube or unpowered
4 hours ago · Like

Andy Cooperfauss No.
3 hours ago · Like · 1

Chingsung Chang No
3 hours ago · Like

I know it's bad but can I get some reasoning? Some guy on salvation is saying pact is worse than mm.
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Bryan Hoyt it is in my cube
3 hours ago · Like

Andy Cooperfauss On your next Cube draft, lay out the curve of each deck. Note the number of 1-drops.

Against some decks, it will be good. Against most, it will be very, very bad.
3 hours ago · Like

Chingsung Chang That may, in fact, be true, I was never a fan of 5-mana Pact. Consider why each card is good:

Mental Misstep is good in situations where your opponent's critical cards cost 1 mana. This is true in Legacy, but how often is it true in Cube?

Pact is good when it is 1) protecting a combo, and 2) protecting a finisher you are consistently tapping out for. In both cases your opponent needs to consistently have countermagic available for Pact to be good. How often do you see that being true in cube?

I think both are reasonably situational cards that can be good in the right cube, but I'd much rather have more general cards like Mana Drain, Counterspell, and FoW
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Exactly! He was like control is weak against 1 drops...
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Chingsung Chang yes, but you should have good creature removal for 1-drops, like, if you're worried about it, play more Disfigure and StP
3 hours ago · Like

Chingsung Chang and not Mental Misstep
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Frankie Ramaley Off the top of my head, not in most cubes, no
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Brian Miller Seems really bad on average.
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Greg Hatch I mean, best case scenarios seem marginal.
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Jonathan Richmond Spell Snare probably counters more, right?
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Greg Hatch Well, its playable, which makes it better. In all seriousness, though, everything really good costs 2, and its at worst marginal in any cube with signets.
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Alex Bertoncini no it's not very good at all. in any cube (aside from a one-drop cube) it's too narrow and if your deck needs an answer to a 1-drop that badly, draft better

Maybe you should speak to some of the more prominent cubers out there and see what their opinions are about mm. I am pretty sure they would disagree with you.

Maybe you should speak to some of the more prominent cubers out there and see what their opinions are about mm. I am pretty sure they would disagree with you.

i agree that 1 drops are good but control has a lot of tools to deal with them. Neither of these counterspells should be in small to mid size cubes anyways, every other 2 mana counter is better than them anyways. The range of targets for mm is so small. A given deck at most has between 1-5 one drops and its dead when you draw mm and they don't draw a 1 drop. On the play 2 mana counters can hit 1 drops starting from turn 3. On the draw its turn 4. The gap in which they can resolve 1 drops is not that big assuming you have a counter.

i agree that 1 drops are good but control has a lot of tools to deal with them. Neither of these counterspells should be in small to mid size cubes anyways, every other 2 mana counter is better than them anyways. The range of targets for mm is so small. A given deck at most has between 1-5 one drops and its dead when you draw mm and they don't draw a 1 drop. On the play 2 mana counters can hit 1 drops starting from turn 3. On the draw its turn 4. The gap in which they can resolve 1 drops is not that big assuming you have a counter.

Mental misstep is such a narrow counterspell, one drops shouldn't bother control decks much of the time.

Mental misstep is such a narrow counterspell, one drops shouldn't bother control decks much of the time.

How is mental misstep even remotely playable? Pact is a much better card than it.

How is mental misstep even remotely playable? Pact is a much better card than it.

I am not looking for balance, I am just looking for suggestions to cards and such. Thanks anyways.

Same here, seeing as how you have been around longer than most people.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=490215

Thanks.

Hi guys. I have been cubing for a few years now and finally got around to posting my list here. Feel free to comment and discuss. I am always on the lookout for cards to cut and add. I apologize for the formatting of the cube list if it is not done correctly because this is my first time.

Cube Information

White

Blue

Black

Red


Green


Gold

Colorless

Nonbasics

Booster Tutor is always awesome.