Abzan or Mardu tokens will most likely be a thing with this card in standard.
There are still hordes of saprolings and even vampires waiting to be abused. Poison-Tip Archer and Slimefoot, the Stowaway are no joke when they start eating 2 life per trigger.
I am still not convinced that Elenda is better than Seraph of the Scales. With Elenda, you’re paying 4 for a 1/1 and need a sac outlet that most likely uses mana get the most value out of her. The Seraph seems like a more efficient threat on the board with a death trigger that is usually as good or better than Elenda’s
If your Elenda trigger is giving you less than Seraph's, you built your deck very wrong.
Electrodominance is a net positive for Modern's diversity. I bet it will make A TON of garbage decks into tier 3, maybe tier 2 as well, archetypes.
Personally, I can't wait to test it out in UR tempo builds. But, Living End is the real deck now.
Ponza, UR control builds,cascade decks, Grixis stuff(at your draw step, stop, instant speed thoughtseize you), Grixis Goryo's Kiki, and God knows what else.
Scapeshift maybe?
Can't wait for it! Johnny players, rejoice!
This is terrible in LE. Why would you want to cascade into this if you don’t have LE in hand. And ideally you don’t have LE in hand.
Exactly this. I've tested Living End and Restore Balance decks, and cascading into anything that isn't the titular card is a huge non-bo.
Huh. Two turns slower than Birthing Pod, and more vulnerable to removal, but an easier tutor target for decks that want her. She will probably have an impact on Standard. I'm curious about Modern...
Intruder Alarm is modern legal. Not sure what your end game would be besides crazy ETB triggers though.
That isn't true at all this this thing is really easy to stop.
no, it's not.
on commander, this will be crazy bananas....
you'll just drop it again and again and again, equip it with stuff like Lightning Greaves, etc, etc, etc.
on regular magic games, sure, you can get rid of it, but as a commander... specially one that allows for a TON of searching and shuffling, it will be hard to swallow.
Sure if you aren't playing disruption.
Because I'm sure you always have Force of Will, Pact of Negation, 4 counterspells, and a million mana every single turn, right?
That isn't true at all this this thing is really easy to stop.
no, it's not.
on commander, this will be crazy bananas....
you'll just drop it again and again and again, equip it with stuff like Lightning Greaves, etc, etc, etc.
on regular magic games, sure, you can get rid of it, but as a commander... specially one that allows for a TON of searching and shuffling, it will be hard to swallow.
Sure if you aren't playing disruption.
You’ll run out of “disruption” we’ll before they run out of mana. Believing you’ll reliably be able to remove/disrupt a mana-less ability is a bit far fetched.
This card is pretty busted. I don’t like jumping on premature ban hammers, but this certainly looks the part. It just has all of the bad things that made PoK banned, but much worse.
Actually, I could seriously see this as being too centralizing in the format. Sit at the table, flip over commanders, table collectively goes “well, we can’t let him/her untap with that ever”.
Commander games don't last forever.
Saying they will always be able to cast their Commander negates that you and 2 other people also have decks that I am assuming are doing things during all this and not just removing or disrupting this lady.
She is a creature so that opens the ways to disrupt her into every color under the sun, as well as the counterspells you mention as the only way to stop her????
Sorry I don't buy it, this creature is good for sure but people will adapt and then every so often She will explode but a lot of the time she will will run into something she can not overcome, very similar to PoK in that way but not nearly as good.
Oh no, she's slightly worse than a card that was banned in EDH. How terrible. 25 cent rare. Total garbage.
It's more or less as good as Birthing Pod was, with the caveat that it's more vulnerable to removal.
It is impossible to remove from the game.
This card is really dumb.
That isn't true at all this this thing is really easy to stop.
no, it's not.
on commander, this will be crazy bananas....
you'll just drop it again and again and again, equip it with stuff like Lightning Greaves, etc, etc, etc.
on regular magic games, sure, you can get rid of it, but as a commander... specially one that allows for a TON of searching and shuffling, it will be hard to swallow.
Sure if you aren't playing disruption.
Because I'm sure you always have Force of Will, Pact of Negation, 4 counterspells, and a million mana every single turn, right?
I was working on this before... if this christmasland scenario isn't bound to Simic color identity commander rules, you can make Karmic Guide your 5-rung and have it bring back Hippocamp for the untap to go to 6... then Sun Titan gets the Hippocamp to go to 7, then ... does Angel of Glory's Rise help?
No, wait, sorcery timing clause means you can't really benefit from getting two waves of untaps.
What he described isn't "Christmasland". All that is needed is the Vannifar with the ability to activate, and a single creature. That's not hard to do in the slightest.
I'd argue that Amulet is better than Titanshift and one of the best decks in modern
Eh... I have to disagree. The deck is significantly more vulnerable to common removal. Though it could just be my area, where several players maindeck artifact removal to get rid of Ensnaring Bridge, so Amulet tends to not stay as long.
Actually, Affi, Tron, Storm, Burn and Aggro decks have always been in the format, I don't see what's different since 2012. Coco instead of Pod ? Humans instead Merfolk ? Gifts instead of Ascension ?
Did you catch the one, single, and glaringly obvious format staple missing from your list? The one that never saw its replacement for 3+ years? That thousands of players have tried for years to replace, replicate, or find anything like it, and failed every time? Or did that one just slip your mind during this trip down memory lane?
Izzet phoenix, and blue moon are the only two current decks that play even vaguely similarly to twin, but they are realistically not viable. Blue moon is merely a remnant, and phoenix a slow, semi-linear deck in a metagame of faster, more linear decks that are harder to interact with.
Yeah, if you're playing pretty much any UR deck that's not Storm, you are actively choosing to play bad deck and hope that variance lines up in your favor. Because no matter what you are trying to do, other decks do it better, faster, more reliably, or more resiliently. Other UR decks without Twin are just bad. There's no ifs ands or buts about it.
I had three of my decks banned or made irrelevant by new cards (Stubborn Cyclops, MarytrProc, Bloom Titan). It sucks. But instead of whining and moaning for three straight years, I moved on and played something different. I didn't turn any of those bans into a self-centered crusade based around making everyone on a website miserable.
We all know that even if a U/R deck suddenly did well, you would undermine it. First you complained about a lack of blue decks. Then when Merfolk made a resurgence, you complained it wasn't the right kind of blue deck. Then Grixis Shadow did well, and you complained that it wasn't enough of a control list. Then American and Grixis control did well, and you complained that they just got lucky/tournament was full of scrubs/deck is still garbage for other unspecified reason.
Nothing about this format will EVER satisfy you ever. Not unless the deck you have a dangerous obsession with comes back.
To be pushed this have to have Hexproof Lol and probably any graveyard. But Dimir Fans are use to poor treatment so from that prospective I guess it is pushed.
As it is now it probably dies before its next turn. Dies to basically any modern removal...Bolt...Path....Push
I guess that's why there are no creatures played in all of Modern that don't die to those. /sarcasm.
Yeah... no. Banning fetches would kill Modern. With Modern holding up Magic more than Legacy or Vintage, there's a case to be made that banning fetches would kill non-rotating formats period. The mass player exodus would be crippling.
When did you get back from your ban holiday? Clearly you havent been keeping up with my posts.
1. You are correct, I will accept nothing less than an apology from Forsythe regarding Twin. He lied. Wizards was wrong. There is nothing else to be said on it.
2. If you've been paying attention for a year now, I've been saying UWR, UW and to a lesser degree UR, are all perfectly acceptable. My win rates on UR are much higher than would be expected for a 'bad' deck.
3. You'll be back on ignore now, take care.
I've been back for a while. I just never come in here because you and Cfusion have perpetually turned the "Modern Banlist" thread into the "Splinter Twin whine and moan thread occasionally featuring Ensnaring Bridge or Blood Moon". Any topic, no matter what it is, you two turn it into a personal vendetta to gripe about your pet deck.
And for someone claiming that other decks are perfectly acceptable, you sure are willing to bash on Wizards any time any kind of vague nebulous connection to Twin pops up.
I would ignore you too, but if I ignored you and Cfusion, this entire thread would be an bunch of blocked posts, and people responding to the blocked posts. So you've got that going for you. Kudos for that.
Do: Re-read Magosi the Waterveil. It doesn't work the way you think it does. In the way you describe, you would be giving your opponents infinite turns, which seems counter-productive.
It doubles the damage your creatures deal, in the same vein as cards like Rage Reflection and True Conviction. There are a lot worse combat boosting enchantments that see play, and I see GratVio in a lot of combat based red EDH decks.
How many instants and sorceries are you running that Oath of Nissa isn't reliably a "G: look at top 3 and draw a card"? It's one mana draw in standard, plus card selection.
If your Elenda trigger is giving you less than Seraph's, you built your deck very wrong.
So happy to see Teysa get her revenge as always.
Exactly this. I've tested Living End and Restore Balance decks, and cascading into anything that isn't the titular card is a huge non-bo.
Intruder Alarm is modern legal. Not sure what your end game would be besides crazy ETB triggers though.
Oh no, she's slightly worse than a card that was banned in EDH. How terrible. 25 cent rare. Total garbage.
Because I'm sure you always have Force of Will, Pact of Negation, 4 counterspells, and a million mana every single turn, right?
What he described isn't "Christmasland". All that is needed is the Vannifar with the ability to activate, and a single creature. That's not hard to do in the slightest.
SQUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
She's back! And she's not s***!
Amazing. I am floored.
Eh... I have to disagree. The deck is significantly more vulnerable to common removal. Though it could just be my area, where several players maindeck artifact removal to get rid of Ensnaring Bridge, so Amulet tends to not stay as long.
I had three of my decks banned or made irrelevant by new cards (Stubborn Cyclops, MarytrProc, Bloom Titan). It sucks. But instead of whining and moaning for three straight years, I moved on and played something different. I didn't turn any of those bans into a self-centered crusade based around making everyone on a website miserable.
We all know that even if a U/R deck suddenly did well, you would undermine it. First you complained about a lack of blue decks. Then when Merfolk made a resurgence, you complained it wasn't the right kind of blue deck. Then Grixis Shadow did well, and you complained that it wasn't enough of a control list. Then American and Grixis control did well, and you complained that they just got lucky/tournament was full of scrubs/deck is still garbage for other unspecified reason.
Nothing about this format will EVER satisfy you ever. Not unless the deck you have a dangerous obsession with comes back.
In what competitive format is losing 20% of your maximum life twice at instant speed "not matter"?
If your Commander format is so fast that a 5 mana enchantment is too slow, then 99.9% of all new cards will also be too slow.
I guess that's why there are no creatures played in all of Modern that don't die to those. /sarcasm.
I've been back for a while. I just never come in here because you and Cfusion have perpetually turned the "Modern Banlist" thread into the "Splinter Twin whine and moan thread occasionally featuring Ensnaring Bridge or Blood Moon". Any topic, no matter what it is, you two turn it into a personal vendetta to gripe about your pet deck.
And for someone claiming that other decks are perfectly acceptable, you sure are willing to bash on Wizards any time any kind of vague nebulous connection to Twin pops up.
I would ignore you too, but if I ignored you and Cfusion, this entire thread would be an bunch of blocked posts, and people responding to the blocked posts. So you've got that going for you. Kudos for that.