Exotic Orchard is one of the best multiplayer lands and I'll almost always play 4.
Knotvine Mystic is a weak card and you don't need that many mana dorks. I would cut it.
Good burn cards include things like Zo-Zu the Punisher, Scab-Clan Berserker and Kambal, Consul of Allocation which are significantly better 3 drops than Woolly Thoctar. Kambal isn't even hard to splash assuming that you add 4x Exotic Orchard and 1x Swamp considering that you already have Wilds, BoP and Caryatid. That's already 17 sources of Black which is way more than enough and a turn 2 Kambal off a BoP is a ridiculous Start in multiplayer.
The best card to play in Ghostly Prison decks, IMO, is Luminarch Ascension. It will often trigger immediately at which point you have an oppressive token engine. Moreover, sometimes you'll run it out on turn 2, no one will have creatures and it'll trigger on its own. From there you can cast a couple of mana dorks, get to 4/6 mana and spend the rest of the game churning our Angels. I would replace Myr Superion with these.
Where you play Wall of Reverence I would play Tendershoot Dryad. It creates 12+ power per turn and assuming that you curve Dryad into Realm Razer you'll kill everyone before they can even recover. People can't even frantically try to swarm past it because Ghostly Prison largely prevents alpha-strikes, especially if people are trying to use Craterhoof Behemoth style kill cards in their creature-based decks. Card is busted in multiplayer.
i really like what you suggested, i will most defenetly get some more exotic orchard because right now i think i only own one and its in my commander deck and i didnt really like the fastland and the manlands, i will also include one basic swamp as you suggested and include both my copies of kambal, consul of allocation, kambal is just a better card than scab-clan berserker so ill use him instead.
i will try the deck without knotvine mystic to see if its viable because he helps alot with his mana-fix for realm razer
i need to get my hands on at least 2 zo-zu the punisher because the cards is just so perfect for what this deck is trying to do, i might even try 4 and go from there and tune it down or something.
my deck is already not fun to play against so if i do put 4 luminarch ascension in there, my friends just wont wanna play vs this deck anymore or they will pick top tier deck to kill me before turn 4 lol
i added wall of reverence and myr superion before i added ghostly prison because i defenetly needed some blockers and a way to gain some life but with zo-zu in there i might wanna switch them for grazing gladehart to negate the tons of damage zo-zu will deal once realm razer gets killed and i love your dryad idea but they are 5$ each right now so im gonna wait until they get out of standard before buying them (lets be honest its not worth over 1$ on its own).....since im now splashing black, unburial rites sounds really good to keep realm razer on the field.
thanks alot for your suggestion, i really appreciate it and will tune the deck and report back in a little while
the goal of this deck is to cast realm razer and with mana dorks cast manabarbs and only use manadorks to produce mana from then on and watch your friends agonize while they are eating big damage trying to rebuild there mana base thanks to manabarbs and zhur-taa druid.
so i play magic for about 10 years (i have a big card pool and i probably already own what you might suggest me) and my friends and i like to do massive kitchen table free for all games (4 players and +). only modern cards are legal here so plz dont suggest anything that wouldnt be legal in the modern format.
Keep in mind that if you play this deck, all your oponents will wanna kill you first and only you, remember that this is kitchen table magic so im not going to pay hundred of dollars for new cards, escpecially lands, they are ok as is and im not looking to change that. Anyway i have been messing around with this deck for quite a while and have been so successfull that i had to put 4 ghostly prison because all my friends would target me as soon as they see a mana dork. i would like to see what you guys would come up with for the 4 cards i want to change or just your version of this deck.
i dont really like woolly thoctar i think he is too expensive for what it does wich is either just a blocker or a way to gain some life with wall of reverence and its the main card i wanted to change, in the near future im going with 3 wooly and a single Palladia-Mors, the Ruiner. A friend of mine suggested i should take them out and replace them with brave the elements to keep the realm razer alive but i dont really need him alive once manabarbs is online.
zhur-taa druid is by far the mvp of the deck after manabarbs and since hes performing so well, i thought about maybe switching the thoctar for some lobber crew.....but this cards sucks bad and i was wondering if you guys know any other cards who does a similar job (ping all oponents or players for 1)
im open to other suggestion as well, what would you change and why......i think thats all for today, thank you in advance for your help!
all i want is a new art for lord of atlantis, ive been waiting forever to get these because they are so ugly.....ive been wishing this since modern was introduced...
I'm thinking the just-spoiled Ranging Raptors has potential in our sideboard as a way to shore up the aggro matchups AND ramp at the same time. Am I the only one excited by this card? At 3 cmc, it has some inbuilt push resistance and cannot be killed by Collective Brutality, which was a problem I found with Hornet's Nest.
Or they could attack into it and give you a land...
we played multiplayer and i was playing the good old hive mind deck with the pacts, so i cast hive mind followed by pact of the titan and an intervention pact so my friends had to pay 8 mana to survive at their upkeep, i kill 3 of them and my last friends cast 2 manamorphose giving himself 2 white and a red and he had enough lands to paid the mana. i didnt have white mana so i lost GG
Is Mina and Denn, Wildborn playable as a tech card?
i tried it when it came out and wasnt convinced by it and since creatures got bigger with all the shadows running around i think they would be worst than when i tested it...
didnt play in a while but i wanna try samut, voice of dissent, using her as a through the breach giving haste to titan sounds good and shes a decent blocker with flash but it might not happen often though, stil want to try her out when i get back to the game
Im not gonna say don't try the new sweeper, but the reason we run Anger of the Gods is because it adequately deals with the Aggro decks before they kill us. The only way the new 5 mana one does that is if we are on the play and suspend search on 1 and ramp on 2.
by aggro deck i guess you meant dredge? because thats the main reasons we play anger over sweltering suns and since there is no dredge player in my meta i think this will be perfect (for me) since everyone at my LGS plays etither 8rack, eldrazi tron, homebrew and death shadow variant.
sweltering suns and anger are dead cards against deathshadow and 5 damage can get rid of tarmo and you know if i get that lili at the same time its cool, like i said i will try it but for my meta only, i wouldnt bring this to a tournament and testing never hurts
i really like what you suggested, i will most defenetly get some more exotic orchard because right now i think i only own one and its in my commander deck and i didnt really like the fastland and the manlands, i will also include one basic swamp as you suggested and include both my copies of kambal, consul of allocation, kambal is just a better card than scab-clan berserker so ill use him instead.
i will try the deck without knotvine mystic to see if its viable because he helps alot with his mana-fix for realm razer
i need to get my hands on at least 2 zo-zu the punisher because the cards is just so perfect for what this deck is trying to do, i might even try 4 and go from there and tune it down or something.
my deck is already not fun to play against so if i do put 4 luminarch ascension in there, my friends just wont wanna play vs this deck anymore or they will pick top tier deck to kill me before turn 4 lol
i added wall of reverence and myr superion before i added ghostly prison because i defenetly needed some blockers and a way to gain some life but with zo-zu in there i might wanna switch them for grazing gladehart to negate the tons of damage zo-zu will deal once realm razer gets killed and i love your dryad idea but they are 5$ each right now so im gonna wait until they get out of standard before buying them (lets be honest its not worth over 1$ on its own).....since im now splashing black, unburial rites sounds really good to keep realm razer on the field.
thanks alot for your suggestion, i really appreciate it and will tune the deck and report back in a little while
yeah lol its not our case considering we have to deal with decks like krark-clan ironworks or infinite time warp or scrambleverse and things like that, i even stopped playin my waste not + dark deal and exsanguinate deck because i was tired of always wining on turn 3
so i play magic for about 10 years (i have a big card pool and i probably already own what you might suggest me) and my friends and i like to do massive kitchen table free for all games (4 players and +). only modern cards are legal here so plz dont suggest anything that wouldnt be legal in the modern format.
Keep in mind that if you play this deck, all your oponents will wanna kill you first and only you, remember that this is kitchen table magic so im not going to pay hundred of dollars for new cards, escpecially lands, they are ok as is and im not looking to change that. Anyway i have been messing around with this deck for quite a while and have been so successfull that i had to put 4 ghostly prison because all my friends would target me as soon as they see a mana dork. i would like to see what you guys would come up with for the 4 cards i want to change or just your version of this deck.
4 birds of paradise
4 sylvan caryatid
4 zhur-taa druid
4 myr superion
4 knotvine mystic
4 woolly thoctar
4 wall of reverence
4 realm razer
4 ghostly prison
4 manabarbs
lands (20)
4 evolving wilds
4 jungle shrine
4 forest
2 mountain
2 plains
2 stirring wildwood
2 Razorverge Thicket
i dont really like woolly thoctar i think he is too expensive for what it does wich is either just a blocker or a way to gain some life with wall of reverence and its the main card i wanted to change, in the near future im going with 3 wooly and a single Palladia-Mors, the Ruiner. A friend of mine suggested i should take them out and replace them with brave the elements to keep the realm razer alive but i dont really need him alive once manabarbs is online.
zhur-taa druid is by far the mvp of the deck after manabarbs and since hes performing so well, i thought about maybe switching the thoctar for some lobber crew.....but this cards sucks bad and i was wondering if you guys know any other cards who does a similar job (ping all oponents or players for 1)
im open to other suggestion as well, what would you change and why......i think thats all for today, thank you in advance for your help!
it sure is fun in kitchen table magic but its far too weak for competitive modern
edit: for 6 mana you could primeval titan wich is a much better card than gigantosaurus
i want to build it for kitchen table magic thanks
i also needed 4 silvergill adept because i never could find some but that will change tomorow
anyone tried a one or two of Kumena, tyrant of orazca? or is he a win more card or does he comes out too late? thoughts?
edit: oops i thought he cost 4 not 3 lol so why not include him as a one of?
i know i will try him instead of wood elves
the card is great with walking ballista though
yeah for 3 and in white, trust me ive tried to make this card work too many times and each time the 1 more mana is so painfull i just give up.
if we ever get memory lapse in modern, ill rearenge my scapeshift deck as a RUG deck thats 100% sure
id realy love a lord reprint (with new art) for this very reason and every modern master failed me so far so
anyway if he doesnt show up here i guess ill be waiting another 10 years for a bether looking merfolk lord! its not like i havent done it before lol
i know its 2cmc but zombie infestation would have been perfect for what you are trying to do but yeah...
best 3cmc discard card for what you are trying to do might be dark deal, also disrupts your oponents plans at the same times.
keep us updated with a list if possible, would be easier for us to make suggestions
i tried it when it came out and wasnt convinced by it and since creatures got bigger with all the shadows running around i think they would be worst than when i tested it...
didnt play in a while but i wanna try samut, voice of dissent, using her as a through the breach giving haste to titan sounds good and shes a decent blocker with flash but it might not happen often though, stil want to try her out when i get back to the game
by aggro deck i guess you meant dredge? because thats the main reasons we play anger over sweltering suns and since there is no dredge player in my meta i think this will be perfect (for me) since everyone at my LGS plays etither 8rack, eldrazi tron, homebrew and death shadow variant.
sweltering suns and anger are dead cards against deathshadow and 5 damage can get rid of tarmo and you know if i get that lili at the same time its cool, like i said i will try it but for my meta only, i wouldnt bring this to a tournament and testing never hurts