yeah.. i prefer Kotr.. he helps me with his abb to fetch me any land.. so vault of archangel which saves me very often helps.. or fetch for gavony township and use it to your lingering souls.. boom.. or just to fetch some land destroy or i need to draw.. he is the guy that gives me fetch.. and after this he is 5/5 for 3 mana.. that can feed DTS..
I really dont like Doran Junk.. I mean why Doran? I thought that he would be a good card.. but his ability is too bad.. i boosted so many decks..
i boosted affinity.. i played Doran and opponent answered with 3 Ornithopters.. and 2 signal pests.. I died very quickly!
Then i Played against Zoo.. i had same luck like last time.. 2 Dorans in my hand.. and my enemy .. Hand full of Apes, Loam lions i had to play doran to try defend myself.. but anyway it didnt help.. I died in 4th turn.. all remowal i had was one pte.. and.. K. O.
Control - here was Doran totaly useless.. always met Snag or PTE..
Doran is not as good as many people think! You Always should be ready for some suprise... and against speed decks.. you need more then doran..
Why dont we play Doran? pls.. He looks pretty cool against Affinity, Rancor and shrinks all supports cards like snapcaster bloodghast, deadcrawler, kitchen finks, (pain for finks) clique, bob .. ok he even buffes kird apes, loam lions, angels and so on.. but why not to play him? ¨
I would play :
OK.. i know that it was a bad idea.. but i really need some advices.. how to build some functional Junk deck.. really..
i started with 4 x Deathrites shaman - they will stay,
4 x tarmogoys,
3 dark confidants (cuz iam no lucker.. i always get a hit for three with him and one in the game is enough for me.. but if you think that 4 is better i can try,
4 x Kotr - they are awesome.. ,
3x pte
4 abrupt decay,
2 maelstrom pulses,
3-4 lilianas..
3 despites - i know i should play thoughsiese but this is more budget form, allowes me to discard even a big creatures..
2- duress - budget .. I WILL STAY ON BUDGET FORM OF HAND CONTROL!
22 lands ..
But then i have some free place .. and i really dont know what to play.. so iam testing.. i tried voice of something. - didnt work really good always just gave me an avatar token and died.. avatar was good only with lingerings and a lot of guys around.
Loxodons - Good but in the game after some time useless, ok they are good against lili or counterspells.. but still.. no game big advatage..
But iam really sure that i dont wanna play Token deck.. a lot of lingerins.. sorin, hero of bladehold..
Any good opinion would be nice
yeah.. after some testings with confidant.. he is much better then scrivener.. just i dont know.. i feel it turned into something what needs some life gainers..
so i tried to put in some kitchen finks (i read they are pretty cool and combined with two restoration angels they went perfect.. ) but i dont know.. do you even play kithen finks and angel in Todays JUNK ?
Hello, may I just ask you about some improvements? I for example play something like that just no bloodmoon (+1 pte) and no Marsh Flats ( + 1 Hellkite) but I must admit that my lands are killing me pretty hard.. I know that I play Deathrite shamans but every enemy shoot them first and kithen finks.. but do you know any improvements ? For example i Heard of Batterskull and so on..
Kitchen Finks - It is a creature which gives you 2 hp when enter the game so he helps you when you fetches a lands and can be a good blocker or attacker, cuz his Persist makes angry many players.
Deathrite Shaman- Is not in full number cuz he shrinks tarm and Kotr, but good mana giver and lifegain or grim servis always avalible...
Loxodon Smiter - Strong against Jund, he just waits for Liliana to discard ability, or for blue player ready with mana leak on turn two.. and did i say that it is 4/4 for 3 mana? Which you usually have in turn 2?
Knight of the reliquary - I know he is slow in modern format, usually 3/3 or 4/4 for 3 mana and Deathrite even shrinkes him.. but when you dont use deathrite, he can be really good late game or you can just use him as a fetchland..
Qasali Pridemage - two of them for better feeling, when playing against anybody. Body naturalize.
Birds of paradise - I know many players prefere their Noble Hierarch but they cant give you RED or BLACK mana, which you can need for Bolts or just Deathrite (even that happens sometime).
Gideon Jura - 6/6 damage unstopable creature, or creature killer or just controler of creatures in the game.. Dont underestimate this guy, he really kickes..
Elspeth, knight errant - Token spammer and buffer in one.. why not? i Just say she has to go and help my cards to hit my enemy!
Path to exile - I dont play 4 because i have a lot of luck to draw it in first turn and i even have to slow enemy down .. but with PTE you cant slow enemy down.. you only help him by giving him lands..
Treetop Village - Slow from beginning, thats why i play so many mana givers.. but turn 3 or 4 and you can start to push with them. 3/3 trample is fair pusher..
I do play Experiment one and kird apes and lions.. i even wrote my deck list.. it works it kills in 4th turn .. its funny to play.. cuz my opponent almost always wants to shoot project one.. before it grows.. no problem.. cuz in turn two.. i play ape or lion.. or both of them..:D and cuz of cards like boros charm im not even afraid of wrath and so on..
Tested: Project one is creature which you cannot play in deck with grim lavamancers, hierarachs and so on.. But its new wild nacatl.. Which can regenerate itself and if you do.. You can play another some creeps creatures and project turns into a fair creature again.. The only problem is that its a bad top deck.. And you have to play a lot of other cheap but strong creatures..
Maybe agree with Experiment one but as many players disagree with 5 colors zoo.. Its expensive for money and even for Lifes in game. Yeah you have Deathrites, Helixes and so on.. but you fall on 13 HP only per 3th turn.. Only then you have time to heal yourself.. and these cards are really changing zoo into midrange deck..
BTW: Ill try Experiment
im not sure yet on how good thrun is.. i like falkenrath aristocrat a lot though.. especially with kitchen finks and the 5 humans (4 confi, 1 lavamancer) i got in the deck.. .. also i play 4 treetop over raging as i dont like them.
Looks great .. I like this one.. it really looks like a Jund deck.. ill be testing it too... I like uncommon testing.. and aristocrat is the card which can make a lot of damage potencial..
i boosted affinity.. i played Doran and opponent answered with 3 Ornithopters.. and 2 signal pests.. I died very quickly!
Then i Played against Zoo.. i had same luck like last time.. 2 Dorans in my hand.. and my enemy .. Hand full of Apes, Loam lions i had to play doran to try defend myself.. but anyway it didnt help.. I died in 4th turn.. all remowal i had was one pte.. and.. K. O.
Control - here was Doran totaly useless.. always met Snag or PTE..
Doran is not as good as many people think! You Always should be ready for some suprise... and against speed decks.. you need more then doran..
I would play :
4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Tarmogoyf
3 - 4 x Dark Confidant
4x Knight of the reliquary / Loxodon Smiter
BTW: Out of Doran deck? Did someone try to play Tombstalker, dont tell me that in 4th turn play 5/5 flying is not bad..
i started with 4 x Deathrites shaman - they will stay,
4 x tarmogoys,
3 dark confidants (cuz iam no lucker.. i always get a hit for three with him and one in the game is enough for me.. but if you think that 4 is better i can try,
4 x Kotr - they are awesome.. ,
3x pte
4 abrupt decay,
2 maelstrom pulses,
3-4 lilianas..
3 despites - i know i should play thoughsiese but this is more budget form, allowes me to discard even a big creatures..
2- duress - budget .. I WILL STAY ON BUDGET FORM OF HAND CONTROL!
22 lands ..
But then i have some free place .. and i really dont know what to play.. so iam testing.. i tried voice of something. - didnt work really good always just gave me an avatar token and died.. avatar was good only with lingerings and a lot of guys around.
Loxodons - Good but in the game after some time useless, ok they are good against lili or counterspells.. but still.. no game big advatage..
But iam really sure that i dont wanna play Token deck.. a lot of lingerins.. sorin, hero of bladehold..
Any good opinion would be nice
so i tried to put in some kitchen finks (i read they are pretty cool and combined with two restoration angels they went perfect.. ) but i dont know.. do you even play kithen finks and angel in Todays JUNK ?
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Depise
2 Duress
3 Path to Exile
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Restoration Angel
4 Kitchen Finks
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/junk-agrrocontrol/
I know i dont play Confidant.. but I just tested this Blood Scrivener and he looks much better to me.. he even combs himself with Horizon Canopy.
Thalai (3rd Place)
Modern Premier #5230692 on 04/01/2013

Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
1 Blood Crypt
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
23 lands
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Lotus Cobra
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
24 creatures
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Blood Moon
3 Domri Rade
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Sacred Foundry
3x Marsh Flats
1x Mountain
1x Stomping Ground
4x Treetop village
2x Horizon Canopy
1x Temple Garden
4x Arid Mesa
2x Plains
1x Forest
4x Kithen Finks
3x Deathrite Shaman
4x Loxodon Smiter
3x Knight of the Reliquary
2x Qasali Pridemage
4x Birds of paradise
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Gideon Jura
3x Lightning Helix
2x Thundermaw Hellkite
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
Why this Crew?
Kitchen Finks - It is a creature which gives you 2 hp when enter the game so he helps you when you fetches a lands and can be a good blocker or attacker, cuz his Persist makes angry many players.
Deathrite Shaman- Is not in full number cuz he shrinks tarm and Kotr, but good mana giver and lifegain or grim servis always avalible...
Loxodon Smiter - Strong against Jund, he just waits for Liliana to discard ability, or for blue player ready with mana leak on turn two.. and did i say that it is 4/4 for 3 mana? Which you usually have in turn 2?
Knight of the reliquary - I know he is slow in modern format, usually 3/3 or 4/4 for 3 mana and Deathrite even shrinkes him.. but when you dont use deathrite, he can be really good late game or you can just use him as a fetchland..
Qasali Pridemage - two of them for better feeling, when playing against anybody. Body naturalize.
Birds of paradise - I know many players prefere their Noble Hierarch but they cant give you RED or BLACK mana, which you can need for Bolts or just Deathrite (even that happens sometime).
Tarmogoyf - The best creature i have ever met!
Gideon Jura - 6/6 damage unstopable creature, or creature killer or just controler of creatures in the game.. Dont underestimate this guy, he really kickes..
Lightning bolts - 3 damage for one mana .. .cool
Elspeth, knight errant - Token spammer and buffer in one.. why not? i Just say she has to go and help my cards to hit my enemy!
Path to exile - I dont play 4 because i have a lot of luck to draw it in first turn and i even have to slow enemy down .. but with PTE you cant slow enemy down.. you only help him by giving him lands..
Treetop Village - Slow from beginning, thats why i play so many mana givers.. but turn 3 or 4 and you can start to push with them. 3/3 trample is fair pusher..
Thundermaw Hellkite Game finisher, makes deck more aggro.
4 kird ape
4 loam lion
4 tarmogoyf
4 knight of the reliquary
3 silverblade paladin / loxodon smiter / or another big creep
Spells are up to you.. 4x Lb 4x LH 4x brscharm 4x PTE but
But this is not bad NAYA zoo..
BTW: Ill try Experiment
Looks great .. I like this one.. it really looks like a Jund deck.. ill be testing it too... I like uncommon testing.. and aristocrat is the card which can make a lot of damage potencial..