MTG Salvation

Interesting list
I think its better with 21 lands to make t2 Chalice more reliable
Necrotic is kinda weak at 20 lands with no mana slivers
First Dregscale should be good, 4th - weak
Horizon lands I think are not that great, we have a lot of mana sinks

I think deck's concept is weak right now. All these decks that WANT to have some cards in the graveyard.. Usual card advantage game doesnt apply to them, so 8Rack is not functional against them.

How is Skred going nowadays? With 4x Relics main it can be good at hosing these graveyard strategies going rampant. Last time Skred made a splash in a similar situation - it wasnt played much and Dredge was played much, so Skred came out winning those unprepared people and grave decks.

Quote from patbou_clone »

For those of you who like numbers, I’ve run 100.000 simulations of two different decks, just to test keepable hands : my deck with 4 Virulents and 16 lands, and another with 2 Automaton and 2 Ziggurats instead. Surprisingly, the deck with 16 lands and more Weenies was more keepable than the one with 18 lands, and by a wide margin... 78% vs 63%, if I recall correctly.

I bet a build with 18 lands has more win percentage than 16 lands. And your algorithm for keepable hands is most probably flawed) Playing one 1-drop per turn is a road to defeat.
No one plays 16 lands in Modern for a reason
And this deck is no exception, yes it wants to play 1 drops, but its power comes from 2 drops, which is a problem at 16 lands (2 cmc mana dork is not a solution)

Quote from BbearZ »

My initial interpretations of Hexdrinker and Barkhide Troll were incorrect. We should definitely test them out. We have to either cut lands or Steel Leaf Champion or a mixture of both for them though.

Also Veil of Summer is an auto include as a 2-3 of in the sideboard- maybe 4 of. The only reason not to is your specific meta doesn't have blue or black.

I dont see Veil of Summer as great card in theory. Whats its ceiling? You 2-for-1 them, saving one of your janky creatures. Im not sure such card advantage is even good vs decks that want to grind, grinding is their game, they will outplay you if you give them time. Not to mention you have hexproof, pumps, undying and regeneration, so another hexproof can be superfluous. Its floor being a blank card you cant use, because blue and black decks dont pack much removal and counterspells these days. Overall I think thats a weak sideboard card. If I want to grind Id be happier with Kitchen Finks, aside from 2-1 it can deal damage and kill planeswalkers, more synergic with our pumps and gains life. Also not only applicable vs blue and black.

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I would prefer the community to move there, but I can’t force anyone...

I checked that site and it looks like it has 100 times less visits. You are the only poster in that thread there, Im not going to move.

Quote from tokaok »

Lets Talk Sideboard for the current meta, What cards are you high on, which one are you down?

High on:
Pithing Needle
Hits most of the fast turn 2/3 win decks, Altar of dementia, Griselbrand, Devoted druid,inkmoth nexus,Pendelhaven giver of runes, plus hits most threats in UW control Celestial Colonnade walkers


Down on:
Damping Sphere
Storm has not seen much play in while, and for the time being Tron isnt very prevalent due to all the turn 2/3 decks running rampant.

Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
Apart from U/W, you barely see any midrange/control decks around.

Shutting off Altar of dementia, Griselbrand, inkmoth nexus, Pendelhaven, giver of runes, Celestial Colonnade, walkers doesnt sound great to me. Hogaak can win without altar, Griselbrand can still fly for 7 lifelink
inkmoth nexus, Pendelhaven from infect? Nexus is only one third of their threats (or less if you count Hierarch), Pendelhaven has small effect
disabling one walker after he used his ability doesnt look gread. If you cast Needle in advance its hard to name a proper walker since they usually dont run sets of four. Celestial Colonnade is very expensive, if you didnt win before or coudlnt counter it with pumps seems like you lost anyway.
though it looks ok vs Affinity, they have a lot of good targets so Needle is not likely to be wasted

Damping Sphere. Tron, Phoenix are still top decks, Storm, Amulet Titan are still good. I dont see a reason to remove great sideboard card for our tough matchups.

Nissa, Voice of Zendikar. I like Finks, they are great for aggro and grinding.

What do you guys think about the new one drop hexdrinker that was added lately?
Do you think its good enough in our deck?

I think Pelt Collector is better as a pretty reliable 3/3. Hexdrinker can be better than Dryad, it depends on your meta and number of mana sinks in your list (less mana sinks > Hexdrinker more valuable).

Ill put them instead of Tuskers for sure
Not going to replace Pelt Collectors, I think they are essential

FNM 4-0 report

I will probably go
+1 Scavenging Ooze
+1 Reclamation Sage
-1 Ghost Quarter
-1 Natural State
and replace two forests with canopy lands main

Burn 2-1
+3 Kitchen Finks -Dismember -Rhonas -Aspect of Hydra

Golgari budget 2-0
Thats a slow pet deck that tries to exchange cards with opponent and take lategame with overwhelming card advantage via grave use
My start was fast, their removal couldnt hold my onslaugh both games
+3 Kitchen Finks -Dismember -2 Aspect of Hydra

Revolt Zoo 2-0
That was an explosive deck with Simian Spirit Guide, Burning-Tree Emissary, Hidden Herbalists Atarka's Command and Reckless Bushwhacker. In ideal world it does 14 damage on its first turn!
I knew this deck was really explosive so I tried to hold its onslaught first. He didnt get one of his insane starts and I won because if you stabilize then it usually over as your creatures are more powerful than his bears
+3 Kitchen Finks -Dismember -Aspect of Hydra -Rhonas

Martyr Proc 2-0
Fast starts didnt let him get 6/6 lifelinks, he did a lot of champ blocks though he couldnt effectively block trample, I knew wrathes were coming so I didnt hesitate to exchange some of my one-drops with his 1/1s, he landed one wrath and it was good but I answered with Steel Leaf Champion with Rancor and he couldnt respond in time
+2 Relic -Dismember -Aspect of Hydra

patbou_clone thank yo for your work on good build with sideboard guide
But your stress on Humans makes me want to say: Slivers are not Humans
Same cards work a bit different, Ancient Ziggurat doesnt count for Sliver's Hive, we dont have etb effects (mostly), less things can be done with Vial narrowing to +1/+1 and first strike (because of that I always thought 3 and 0 are better Vial numbers than 4)
Both tribes have weak and strong sides, we should build accordingly and not try to replicate
Im not a fan of playing 18 lands in Slivers. Humans have 1cmc mana dork, Slivers dont. Mana flood hurts Humans, Slivers have Sliver's Hive
At 18 lands if you dont have Vial in opening hand there is a good chance you will lose in tempo horribly playing 0-1 creatures a turn
Slivers lack Humans' disruption so imho we should play more aggressively (with Diffusion and Manaweft being not so great)
Im not saying you have some clear mistakes or there are some rules in building Slivers (unlike you who says there are 52 locked slots))) but you are too much on 'if pros build Humans like this, it should be good in Slivers'
And a bit too high on Slivers with statements like "Diffusion Sliver is actually better than Kitesail Freebooter". Freebooter can discard Karn or Ugin, 2 for 1 a removal, evasive threat that can fly above 5/5 Angler or Tarmo to kill a walker.
I want to mention Slivers (and fast Slivers in particular) are most afraid of Wrath effects and 8 Diffusions dont help here
Im long player of Leeching Sliver. While its cool, it deals damage before opponent can block, opponent can misplay against it, I always treated Adaptive Automaton as a better creature which we should play full playset before adding Leeching Sliver. Maybe with 8 flying slivers its drawbacks (no additional toughness) are less important, while drawbacks of Adaptive Automaton stay the same: 3cmc, not a sliver on the stack, artifact.

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does anyone else have a updated non budget sliver list?

im almost done with mines

so far i got

lands - 20
4x cavern of souls
4x sliver hive
4x verdant catacombs
3x mutavault
2x overgrown tomb
1x urborg
2x swamp
1x island

artifact / spells - 8
4x collected company
4x aether vial

slivers - 32
4x sedge sliver
4x predatory sliver
4x sinew sliver
4x diffusion sliver
4x galerider sliver
4x cloudshredder sliver
4x spiteful sliver
2x syphon sliver
2x gemhide sliver
2x manaweft sliver
1x shadow sliver
1x sentinel sliver

sideboard:
1x sliver hivelord
3x harmonic sliver
2x opaline sliver
1x venom sliver
1x telekinetic sliver
1x necrotic sliver
1x belligerent sliver

i need more ideas

Id cut second Swamp? Usual way is to stay at 2 basics because mana requirements are very high. Second Overgrown Tomb is also superfluous. Id go with anything but Island as second basic, Forest gives access to 12 cards, 4 of them manafix slivers, Mountain or Plains help cast Cloudshredder in usual situation when you have only one source of any mana. While Red and White are also in high demand. I didnt play with spiteful sliver but it seems bad to me. We need to be fast, he is 3 mana 2/2, there are many removals that dont deal damage - Path, Push, DIsmember, Wrath, Tap, Bounce. I dont like shadow sliver too, with 8 flying slivers we got a lot of evasion, he wasnt played before, he is worse now. Second Syphon is also kinda meh. So Id add two shocks and a Mountain/Plains instead of Swamp, Island and Overgrown Tomb. And replace Syphon, Shadow, Spiteful Sliver with something from Striking Sliver, Unsettled Mariner, Dregscape Sliver

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How would we play neither spirit? Is it a singleton?

I dunno, 1 or 2

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Quote from Vyviel »

My main question was is it possible to build a decent kitchen table casual sliver tribal deck using only the common and uncommon modern horizons cards.

It depends what the others around the table are playing. Playing a deck made of only commons and uncommons from Modern Horizon is a bit far stretched, IMHO. Chances are your friends are playing something a bit more fine tuned... but if you can pull it together, and have fun, go for it!

They all play pretty much jank peasant decks either 1v1 or multiplayer as none of us are rich enough to buy crazy cards so it pretty much balances that everyone is playing commons and uncommons with a smattering of super cheap $1 rares. All about fun and not finely tuned decks I think anyone who brought something that won in 3-4 turns would have that deck banned =P

I think there is no point restricting yourself of Predatory Sliver, Striking Sliver, Blur Sliver etc.

Quote from vanPart »

A bit of a silly question, but I assume that the sideboard in a deck like this would mostly be utility slivers like Harmonic (against affinity), Syphon/Darkheart (against Burn), Venom or Quilled (against go-wide creature-heavy decks) Slivers? Ghostflame would be a cute addition against a Tron-heavy meta to help protect your dudes against Ugin.

This looks like a deck I'd like to put together and give a shot, which is why I'm asking about the sideboard. I'd need to pick up the slivers and hives, but I already have the rest of the landbase and the vials.

Slivers and things that can be played with colorless mana: Chalice of the Void, Damping Sphere, Relic of Progenitus, Grafdigger's Cage (doesnt work with Company), Dismember, Gutshot, Ravenous Trap etc.

Ghostflame Sliver imo is not strong enough as sideboard option even vs Tron

Quote from DeStar »

Dont forget that this card KILLS Scapeshift, Ligtning Stom, Grapeshot, Searing Blaze, Kolaghans Command, collective brutality etc etc.... this i a combo and 2 for one killer in many ways

Correct me if Im wrong
It does almost nothing against Scapeshift since then float mana, Scapeshift, then use mana off every untapped land to pay for triggers
Storm just does its thing, storm 20, get a lot of mana, dig for bounce, then bounce and grapeshot you. All they need to do is pay 1 more when they already comboed off
Lightning Storm costs only 1 more, not a big problem
Searing Blaze, Kolaghans Command, collective brutality etc yes they need to pay extra 1 for each target